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Posted by Bill S on April 4, 2007 at 11:29:07 am EDT
In reply to Re: Bear canisters revisited (please) posted by cat on April 3, 2007 at 10:42:21 pm EDT

cat -
My Bear Vault's shipping box says black bears and not griz. As of a couple years ago (last time I was there) Denali NP was not accepting the Bear Vault for backcountry. Maybe they have changed. But Inyo NF does not accept them for backcountry (black bears, no griz since the 1920s), and the rangers told a friend (prof guide) who lives in Bishop (boundary of Inyo NF) that the problems were with containers that were properly closed (at least claimed so by the hikers who lost their food). The failure mode was breakage of the container, not lid removal. Not having talked to the rangers myself, I don't know the details. My Bear Vault, by the way, is a 2nd generation, and I have had no problem with the lid. The 1st generation was the one that had problems, AFAIK. But I see that there is a 3rd (maybe 4th?) iteration on the lid design in the stores these days.

But no matter what our personal experiences and biases are and no matter what the claims of the manufacturers, it all depends on the bureaucrats and land managers for what they require or allow us to do for protecting our food. If they say "ok", then we can take whatever. If they say "no", then we have to do something else. And, as backpackers find out every week in the summer, if the varmints get the food, you have a problem, and around here at least, maybe a hefty fine as well (somehow seems unfair - lose your food 2 days out because the PhD bears figured out the system that was "approved", and it still costs you a bunch of bucks in addition).

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• Re: Bear canisters revisited (please) - cat 22:02:40 04/04/2007
  • Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - SteveTheFolkie 07:39:18 04/05/2007
    • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Bill S 11:25:44 04/05/2007
      • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Rosh 11:40:39 04/05/2007
        • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Tom D 14:59:50 04/05/2007
          • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Bill S 20:12:22 04/05/2007
            • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Tom D 23:21:57 04/05/2007
            • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - catt (Guest) 21:44:28 04/05/2007
              • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Bill S 13:38:26 04/06/2007
                • Re: Comment on PhD bears and a couple of questions - - Tom D 03:18:30 04/07/2007
                  • Bear Vault Solo approved for Denali!! - cat 23:33:39 04/18/2007
• Re: Bear canisters revisited (please) - Rosh 11:46:26 04/04/2007
  • Re: Bear canisters revisited (please) - Tom D 18:31:03 04/04/2007
  • Re: Bear canisters revisited (please) - SteveTheFolkie 13:08:20 04/04/2007

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