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Posted by Bill S on February 26, 2008 at 12:17:15 pm EST
In reply to Minimalist or Everything but the kitchen sink? posted by Bryan L on February 22, 2008 at 12:56:24 am EST

AHA! I knew it! someone with a user name like f_klock just had to be a gear freak! (dirty little secret - once hooked on widgets and other gear, there is no breaking the habit until death ... and even then ....)

Anyway, to the question - summer overnight or 2 nights weight is (as posted here numerous times) 12-15 pounds plus food, so total of 18 pounds (including water) for 1 night and 20 for 2 nights, in either a 40 liter pack (a Lowe Alpine) or a 65 liter pack (an Osprey). And yes, this includes the "Kitchen Sink" (a 5-oz foldable basin that I was given - great for hauling the water away from the lake or stream for pumping through the filter).

ratio of pack to body weight - hunh?? What means "ratio"? (well, ok, when I am taking youth on a backpack, such as Boy Scouts, I make sure they are limited to 20% of bodyweight for first-timers or up to 30% for experienced kids up to about 14-15 yo and the 16-18 yo are required to carry 50% or more of their body weight - slows them down so the Old GreyBearded One can keep up ;=) ).

As Brian says, though, it depends on what sort of backcountry trip you are talking about. If climbing or backcountry skiing are involved, the weight goes up (add rope and hardware and/or ski gear and winter-weight tent), and can get to the 60-70 pound range.

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