PCTA defends Pacific Crest Trail from threats

8:00 a.m. on June 8, 2012 (EDT)
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This thread is for comments on the article "PCTA defends Pacific Crest Trail from threats"

The Pacific Crest Trail Association protects, preserves, and promotes the Pacific Crest Trail. This means managing threats like clear cuts, windmill farms, and motorized use with a small staff spread over three states.

Full article at http://www.trailspace.com/articles/2012/06/08/pacific-crest-trail-association-threats.html

11:06 a.m. on June 8, 2012 (EDT)
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I think that to expect wilderness-like conditions in anyplace outside of an actual wilderness area is unrealistic. 

Public lands are for multiple use: Hiking, hunting, fishing, grazing, logging and electricity production.  Pretty much anything short of paving it for a mall or a housing complex is pretty much game.  Is it realistic to expect to reserve the entire forest from Canada to Mexico for nothing but hiking? 

I love to hear people gripe about wind towers.  In the 80s and 90s people were fighting to get more wind energy online.  I used to make wind towers and every time I see one I think of it as one less terrorist from the major middle-east oil producing nations.  Now I make solar material and I can't wait to hear people gripe about how horrible they are. 

8:14 a.m. on June 9, 2012 (EDT)
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I think you raise some interesting and valid points, FromSagetoSnow.

I'm curious — what do our members think are the greatest threats to outdoor recreation?

4:31 p.m. on June 9, 2012 (EDT)
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development

11:03 a.m. on June 10, 2012 (EDT)
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ignorance, apathy, and a general lack of action by citizens concerned about our environmental crisis: loss of wild places, loss of species, contamination of water, climate change. i hope the PCTA continues its great work so the PCT is not just another victim of the assault on the planet!

9:46 a.m. on June 11, 2012 (EDT)
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I call it the War On Nature.  When I was born in 1950 we had 2 billion people on the planet, we now have 7 billion.  Here's a kicker, by 2050 America will have 450,000,000 people, and this increase will need at least a 50% increase in homes and roads and so-called "development".  Here's a relevant quote from Ed Abbey:

"Why is it that the destruction of something created by humans is called vandalism, yet the destruction of something created by God is called development?"

As bonobo humans eat up their world, we should see it as a War on Nature, a peculiar desire for the human species to tame and destroy wilderness.  Just look at what the California settlers did to the California Indians in 1849-1850---over 100,000 Indians killed in two years.  And the Golden Bear state?  The bear was eradicated yet it's still on the state flag.

Here's a quote I remember from the movie Matrix which is worth repeating---

Agent Smith:  "I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."

10:27 a.m. on June 11, 2012 (EDT)
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As far as development goes I'd like to see cities get taller and bigger rather than have them spread out like a crepe.  Keep cities in one place, make zoning tougher to prevent suburban sprawl.  I don't think that the world is overpopulated.  They told us in grade school in the 80s that by the 2000s people would be falling off the Earth, my social studies book actually had a picture showing this.  I can still drive a few minutes from my driveway and be someplace where I cant see a single person.  There is also plenty of food, another thing we were told would be impossible. 

I love it when people say we are a virus/disease, etc.  I always ask them if they will volunteer to do the noble thing but they usually say that its someone else who needs to go. 

11:10 a.m. on June 11, 2012 (EDT)
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FromSagetoSnow said:

As far as development goes I'd like to see cities get taller and bigger rather than have them spread out like a crepe.  Keep cities in one place, make zoning tougher to prevent suburban sprawl.  I don't think that the world is overpopulated.  They told us in grade school in the 80s that by the 2000s people would be falling off the Earth, my social studies book actually had a picture showing this.  I can still drive a few minutes from my driveway and be someplace where I cant see a single person.  There is also plenty of food, another thing we were told would be impossible. 

I love it when people say we are a virus/disease, etc.  I always ask them if they will volunteer to do the noble thing but they usually say that its someone else who needs to go. 

 It's not about death or human eradication, it's about lowering our birthrate over time and finding the carrying capacity of humans in their habitat.  We play God with bear or wolf or wild pig cullings to protect our habitat, but where is the limiting of humans?  Habitat destruction is a human behavior and part of overpopulation.  Are bears or rattlesnakes or the ravens destroying their habitat?  If not, why do we?

12:13 p.m. on June 11, 2012 (EDT)
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Disclosure: I work part time for the PCTA.

For me - the biggest threat to outdoor recreation is the belief that it needs to be "XTREME" in order to be authentic.  As a confirmed long-distance hiking addict, I've been part of the problem by suggesting that longer trips are "better" or more "meaningful." I'm going to start with myself here, and try to get out on more frequent, shorter jaunts, rather than infrequent epics.

2:44 a.m. on June 21, 2012 (EDT)
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I live and work on the PCT.  I'm interested in an organization that maintains and promotes its intended use.

Tipi, you're an interesting person.  I don't always agree with your posts, but I always seem to enjoy reading them.  I can imagine you as part of the solution, and less a part of the problem.

Callahan:  I see you mention development, and your pic has a dirtbike in it.  I will never think of my self as a sage or anything the like, but that seems an odd juxtaposition of icon and sentiment.

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