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12:44 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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I sent out this idea to staff the other day with the thought that this may be a good idea.

So I wake up this morning, and responded to a few threads. While watching the boards I noticed they were getting hammered with spam, so I notified the necessary individuals in regards to this issue.

I was thinking, the moderators as well as TS staff have their own lives to deal with plus handling of the site.

How about the implementation of a "Spam and Abusive" tabs to let community members help out a bit. It may make it a little easier on staff, and I personally do not have a problem 86ing spam and vulgarity.

Granted there are times when we like to have fun but at the same time there is a line that can be crossed when one is pulling punches. I myself like to have fun and joke but you should have enough respect for yourself as well as others to know where and when to draw that line. Just think like this, when posting say to yourself, would I want my kids, nieces, nephews, etc. reading this? There is a chance that they could. The community rules pretty much sums it up. I am not going to get into the rules but for those who are not aware of them here ya go:

http://www.trailspace.com/about/community-rules.html

In all seriousness. Trailspace is a great site. I am pretty sure most of ya know how I feel about it. If not this thread will give ya a heads up:

http://www.trailspace.com/forums/off-topic/topics/94959.html#95141

 

For newbs that are considering joining if they click on the site and see a bunch of 4 letter words and spam it kinda kills what Trailspace truly is as well as the many benefits that can be gained by being a member and learning from more experienced members.

I guess its all about that 1st impression thing that we have spoken in reference too in the past. Not too mention the "one bad apple" logic.

I was just thinking that if the tabs were added it may help take some of the load off the moderators/staff and give the opporotunity for members to be more of an active part in the community by letting them police the site a bit. Granted there would have to be a bit of discression/common sense when you flag as innappropriate(ya can't flag a forum response just because you don't agree with it.)

Plus it would keep me from torturing Alicia, Dave, and the rest of the staff which I am sure they would be grateful. lol

I am not sure of how this could best be optimized but I have a few ideas.

I don't mind cleaning up my home, and I sure wouldn't mind getting rid of what I consider to be garbage here on the site.

So Trailspace members, what do you think about this idea?

 

 

1:01 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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Rick good Idea! Now when are we going to aproach the issue of being off topic as well? notice that alot lately when I jumped on with a charged phone or access to a computer. I think it needs to be said Loud and clear!!! Also not digging the rude one liners I'v read.I don't want to call anyone out but enough is enough.

1:11 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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@ denis-I agree. As far as being off topic I really don't see an issue with a bit of humor here and there as long as its in good taste if ya know what I mean.

Now if its off topic and consumes 20 of 40 thread responses... Well that may very well be an issue.

I am guilty of the off topic thing as well at times. For that I apologize. I try not to take it to far. Honestly after a few minutes I lose interest.

Maybe "there can be a tab for that?" lol.

1:25 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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Rick-Pittsburgh said:

How about the implementation of a "Spam and Abusive" tabs to let community members help out a bit. It may make it a little easier on staff, and I personally do not have a problem 86ing spam and vulgarity.

Yes, we're going to do that in some form, Rick. We have a few ideas for expanding responsibility and opportunity among our trusted community members. Identifying spam and having it dealt with is a major part of that.

Currently, we see and moderate/deal with any posts that require an action for rule violations, but this requires more time and labor on our end and we can't always see everything happening as fast as the community does.

Beyond the obvious spammers, I think Rick and Denis raise good points about the need to keep the quality of forum content high and on-topic.

Our members have a lot of accumulated outdoor gear experience, and that's a great asset for all of us. People come to Trailspace to learn and share with other experienced outdoors people.

Some digression and sense of humor can be appropriate in some conversations, but, it is greatly appreciated when members stay on-topic (gear, outdoors, backcountry skills, etc) and appropriate (any post should be appropriate for a kid to read) and not offensive or rude to others.

Other members and potential members will lose interest and/or go elsewhere, and the community and site will take a hit if readers find the content inappropriate and not useful.

Also, dealing with inappropriate messages takes time and focus away from Trailspace's aim to provide interesting, relevant backcountry gear information to our members.

If you're a member who posts, please read the Community Rules and Guidelines and understand that they apply to you in every post, not just everyone else.

Please, be constructive, on-topic, clean, and respectful every time you post on Trailspace.

Thanks, everybody.

1:26 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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@ Rick have no problem with Humor believe me. The problem is some people need to think who will read this and when after they post. That could be a sentence or a few words. What I am getting at is if you write something do you want the individual to laugh in humor or do you want to Offend someone? Now alot of different threads have some very rude post's. As I was once told if you wouldn't say it infront of your mother or kids. Then why would you post it? No you didn't offend me. :)  I have been guilty of it as well but I think we need to clean up our selves and have fun also.

1:39 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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@ denis-I absolutely agree with ya 1000%. I get sucked into it every now and then but that is completely by choice. I like to laugh at times, but at the same time there is that line that needs to be drawn. Trailspace is a family friendly site. It most certainly would be alot more beneficial to keep it that way.

@Alicia-I completey understand that its hard to "monitor everything" that is posted here on the site. Gotta drive ya nuts at times. Thats one of the reasons I don't worry too much when I don't get an "immediate" response to an inquiry, etc. Lets face it people have lives. I kinda feel like a nuisance when I message you all in regards to spam, etc. but I feel the pros outweigh the cons. :)

 

4:54 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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Great idea, Rick. I think I remember Dave saying awhile back he was working on how best to impliment such a feature.

Regarding offensive or off topic comments- If any of my comments seem to fall ito those categories, I truly want someone to mention it to me. I am sure I've said things a few times that were a little too abrasive and perhaps a little over the edge of what's appropriate. I know sometimes I come back to post a few minutes or days later and think "Oh dear, I didn't quite mean that the way it sounds!"

The majority of members here do a remarkable job keeping it clean, real, and respectful, which was one of the things that impressed me so much when I found TS. It is one of the key things that sets this forum apart, in my opinion.

Lets keep it up.

 

5:37 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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Maybe there could be a scale to which one is reprimanded as far as vulgarity?

1st verbal warning via inbox. 

2nd maybe a suspension... Revoke the users ability to post forums topics, pics, or the ability to post a response to a thread, but still give the ability to view the site.

Then maybe on the final strike you get terminated and we send gonzan to your house to reek havok on the violators flower bed with a trekking pole? :)

gonzan, ya up for this?

As far as spam goes, I agree with the way it is handled. Send them straight to exile island... Spam drives me nuts.

11:31 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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But I don't usually use trekking poles, but a staff :)

I also have a custom reaping scythe, if that would be better. No really, I do. (http://www.themaruggcompany.com/detail_grassblade.htm) Mine is attached to a 5.5 foot  hickory snath and works very well, of course.

;)

11:34 p.m. on July 22, 2011 (EDT)
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gonzan said:

But I don't usually use trekking poles, but a staff :)

I also have a custom reaping scythe, if that would be better. No really, I do. (http://www.themaruggcompany.com/detail_grassblade.htm) Mine is attached to a 5.5 foot  hickory snath and works very well, of course.

;)

 Oh trust me. Your staff came into play when I thought of over-all effectiveness. :)

1:31 a.m. on July 24, 2011 (EDT)
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Hey If I have posted anything that may be offending, may the gods strike me - (ZAP!). 

Sorry if I have offended, that is never my intention. Controversial or confrontational, perhaps, off topic (guilty as charged) but not offensive.  Send me a PM I it seems I am in need of a course correction.

Ed

8:53 a.m. on July 24, 2011 (EDT)
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whomeworry said:

Hey If I have posted anything that may be offending, may the gods strike me - (ZAP!). 

Sorry if I have offended, that is never my intention. Controversial or confrontational, perhaps, off topic (guilty as charged) but not offensive.  Send me a PM I it seems I am in need of a course correction.

Ed

No worries at all, Ed. I know many of us enjoy hearing your opinions.

You'd hear if there were any issues.

7:11 p.m. on July 24, 2011 (EDT)
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Rick, I think its a great idea

4:37 p.m. on July 25, 2011 (EDT)
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good ideas, the only problem is that "offended" is too subjective of a term.

Some people will be "offended" simply when they don't agree with what someone else has posted, or will be "offended" if someone says something that is argumentative of what they already wrote. From there it can get ugly as we all know since egos are tough to set aside.

My point is that we should keep it as objective as possible, otherwise the staff members and moderators will be even more bogged down by checking out complaints to see if they are legitimate.

The complaint system should be within each thread - maybe code could be written to have it populate automatically whenever the thread is started.

The link on each page could simply say "file a complaint" - once clicked, there should be several options to complain about - language, content, personal attacks, etc, etc.

That way the moderators can see what types of complaints are being made about which members and it will be easier to track and quantify if booting someone seems necessary.

4:49 p.m. on July 25, 2011 (EDT)
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iClimb said:

The link on each page could simply say "file a complaint" - once clicked, there should be several options to complain about - language, content, personal attacks, etc, etc.

 

iClimb, I absolutely agree with ya on that one. There has to be some type discression used when one is flagging content as "inappropriate."

The idea that you have here may very well be a feature that can eliminate the possibility of content being flagged for no logical reason other than one not agreeing with the response, etc.

If it doesn't fall under a certain criteria, it can't be flagged. I like this. It would cut down on the moderators having to deal with unnecessary reporting.

6:45 p.m. on July 25, 2011 (EDT)
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Rick-Pittsburgh said:

iClimb said:

The link on each page could simply say "file a complaint" - once clicked, there should be several options to complain about - language, content, personal attacks, etc, etc.

 

iClimb, I absolutely agree with ya on that one.

Complain all you want, but no one will stop me from proudly and defiantly flaunting my offending and garish Hawaiian shirts. Cal la bungalow!

Ed

6:53 p.m. on July 25, 2011 (EDT)
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whomeworry said:

Rick-Pittsburgh said:

iClimb said:

The link on each page could simply say "file a complaint" - once clicked, there should be several options to complain about - language, content, personal attacks, etc, etc.

 

iClimb, I absolutely agree with ya on that one.

Complain all you want, but no one will stop me from proudly and defiantly flaunting my offending and garish Hawaiian shirts. Cal la bungalow!

Ed

 Ed, when I said in another thread that for some strange reason I was drawn to those shirts... I was actually serious. Scary huh?

Cal la bungalow!... Oh man.

8:43 p.m. on July 25, 2011 (EDT)
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Ed,

If you stop being you, then I will be offended.

9:33 p.m. on July 25, 2011 (EDT)
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iClimb said:

Ed,

If you stop being you, then I will be offended.

 I 2nd that.

7:18 p.m. on July 26, 2011 (EDT)
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I agree there with that. I'm also starting to see the wisdom of hawaiian shirts, those are surprisingly light and airy.

I can say that many hands make light work, anything to help us all be outside a little bit more.  I definitely think that a flagging system as mentioned above would help out alot better then just sending a pm. I mean that works but like Rick says we all got lives.

11:43 p.m. on July 26, 2011 (EDT)
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iClimb said:

Ed,

If you stop being you, then I will be offended.

 I third this comment :)

11:52 p.m. on July 26, 2011 (EDT)
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If such a "flagging" system were implemented, it would probably be a good idea to have a set of guidelines.  It might help if it was stated that frivolous tagging will result in reprimand for a trigger-happy flagger, or even the same consequences as for actual offending posts.

3:14 p.m. on July 27, 2011 (EDT)
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gonzan said:

..It might help if it was stated that frivolous tagging will result in reprimand for a trigger-happy flagger, or even the same consequences as for actual offending posts.

The problem therein is some folks may find a lot of things offensive that others are fairly indifferent to.  Their reasoned indignance may seem trigger happy to us, but who are we to judge?  I know individuals who don't even like veiled innuendo or redacted words masked  with *&#@?% symbols.  To an extent they have a point; we all know what’s behind the literary camouflage, making it more a PC nod to consideration, versus the more sincere consideration of not going there at all.   This whole topic is like defining what is pornography.  The blatant examples aren’t the trouble, it is that big gray area outside the “G” and "X" audience ratings that defies nominal partitioning. 

I personally have no problem with other’s choice of words and metaphors, unless they are intentionally insulting or express overt hostility.  I also raised my daughter to see beyond the questionable agitated literary styles some resort to when their hot buttons are pushed. I don’t believe shielding my children is a good way to prepare them for the world.  But I totally understand the desire of others to inhabit a world where grace and chivalry are virtues one aspires to.  These are good cultural objectives.   Heck, even I clean up pretty good in the right circumstances.  My fair lady, do indulge me and please pass the freeze dried Grey Poupon.

Ed

3:24 p.m. on July 27, 2011 (EDT)
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I hear you, those imbaguities are exactly why I think a set of guidlines would be needed defining to whatever extent deemed necessary or helpful by the TS staff. Alicia, etc. seem to a great job of threading that fine line between over-management and free-for-all, so I think it could be done with the same degree of finesse. It certainly won't solve all the problems, nothing will, but it might help. I'm thinking that if it just doesn't work well, and causes more problems than solutions, there'll be a fair crownd of the TS loyals that will make it known to Alicia Inc. 

4:05 p.m. on July 27, 2011 (EDT)
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gonzan said:

I hear you, those imbaguities are exactly why I think a set of guidlines would be needed defining to whatever extent deemed necessary or helpful by the TS staff. Alicia, etc. seem to a great job of threading that fine line between over-management and free-for-all, so I think it could be done with the same degree of finesse. It certainly won't solve all the problems, nothing will, but it might help. I'm thinking that if it just doesn't work well, and causes more problems than solutions, there'll be a fair crownd of the TS loyals that will make it known to Alicia Inc. 

 That was one of the reasons why I thought iclimb was onto something. Maybe there should be an area that once content is flagged let's say for vulgarity... you have to tag it as such. If it doesn't fall under this criteria it can't be flagged. That would cut down on "ghost flagging."

Maybe in order to flag a thread response etc, you have to copy/paste the offensive content (whether it be a sentence or the whole response) into a comment area to justify why one is flagging the content in the 1st place? I don't think one would want to give a new member this ability. Whose to say they are not a spammer? Lets face it, until members are around for a lil while and post we have no clue what they are about.

Maybe have a select chosen group of TS members that have this ability? Not just let any member have the ability to flag?

I know its alot of "maybes" but it seems to make sense.

4:44 p.m. on July 27, 2011 (EDT)
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Rick-Pittsburgh said:

Maybe have a select chosen group of TS members that have this ability? Not just let any member have the ability to flag?

 so, demi-gods...er...I mean demi-moderators.

;)

10:05 p.m. on July 27, 2011 (EDT)
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Rick-Pittsburgh said:

..Maybe have a select chosen group of TS members that have this ability...

No offense to my fellow TS members, but it behooves Alicia, et al, to leave any such judging to the web site owners and their designates.  The last thing you really want is the insane running the asylum.

Ed 

11:22 p.m. on July 27, 2011 (EDT)
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I don't think it would be a problem as long as those who have this ability exert a little common sense when they flag and stick within a set of guidelines.

Also if a post gets flagged just post what community rule it violates(for validation purposes.) I have done this in the past on forums. I also did not single out anyone when I did this. Imho, singling out someone is not right and it should not be put out there for the world to see. If you just post the rule with a brief explanation those who violated said rule will know who they are.

If you have to take it a step further pm them. If you single them out publicly it could quite possibly reflect upon the site in a negative way. Hey lets face it, sometimes people lose their cool in the midst of a heated discussion. This doesn't necessarily make them a bad person.

They just made a bad choice.

Ed, if you take into consideration the over-all scope of things; technically the insane already runs the asylum. :) 

...I wish I had the spam basher ability right now. Ugggghhhh... These people are relentless.

7:34 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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The spammers were busy last night, ouch. I saw the start of this but didn't expect that much, hey R2, you order your Geiger Counter yet? You know, to count Geigers.

8:57 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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Yup, got my Geiger counter, replica jersey, fake handbag, cheap wedding dress, and so much more. I'm fully outfitted for spam-fighting. It's feeling a bit like hand-to-hand combat at the moment.

8:59 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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Dave said:

Yup, got my Geiger counter, replica jersey, fake handbag, cheap wedding dress, and so much more. I'm fully outfitted for spam-fighting. It's feeling a bit like hand-to-hand combat at the moment.

 You're telling me. These people are busy. I found me a great deal on a Rolex.

9:18 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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It would go nice with the Steelers jersey you could buy Rick.

9:33 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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Jake W said:

It would go nice with the Steelers jersey you could buy Rick.

 I have a few... :)

10:23 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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That was some incredible spamming! It certainly brings a certain Monty  python scene to mind!

10:26 a.m. on July 28, 2011 (EDT)
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gonzan said:

That was some incredible spamming! It certainly brings a certain Monty  python scene to mind!

 They were pretty busy little bees huh?

5:13 p.m. on August 13, 2011 (EDT)
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With regards to the "off topic" thing ... I agree completely that threads should be kept on topic.  But even there there can be a bit of a grey area.  One thing that makes this site enjoyable is that there is a feeling of "community".  I think this develops because the conversions go beyond strictly exchanging facts and opinions about gear.  Some responses (and I'm surely at least as guilty of this as others) may not be truly "on topic", but I think (within reason) they help enrich the discussion by adding "personality".

I hope this can continue when the flagging system is implemented, and that we don't have too many "trigger-happy flaggers" :).

11:01 p.m. on August 13, 2011 (EDT)
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 ... hey R2, you order your Geiger Counter yet? You know, to count Geigers.

  No, Rick.   Haven't gotten around to THAT, yet.

I've been down at the local pet shop.

I went there and asked if they had any "peeves".    They were trying to give me a hard time.

I mean, C'mon now ... where else would you find "pet peeves" ?

                                                        ~r2~

2:50 p.m. on August 14, 2011 (EDT)
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@ Robert Rowe:  I'm suprised you haven't heard.  Both the World Wildlife Federation and the UN Commission on Threatened animals have declared that the sales and trafficking of "Pet Peeves" is now considered to be a crime.  Being that they are related to dwarf lemurs, the little Peeves themselfs are actually endemic to Madagascar's failing forests.  Due to the depleation of the forest (mostly due to logging and ironicly the clearing of land for the producton of Peeve chow) and the pet trade the little "Peeves", or "The Little Pevesters" as I like to call them, are woefully rare on the island nation now.  Where once there were many, now there are few.  Can you imagine an entire island filled with "pet peeves, what a wonder?.    As may be your experiance, mine is that most people have "Pet Peeves".  I've most certainly noted  lately the increase of Trailspace members having "Pet Peeves" as of late.  Please be aware that a "Pet Peeve" is a little guy that when fed to much can become completely out of control causing much pain and angest for the owner and the ones around him.  "Pet Peeves" must be rained in and controlled other wise they can be come unmanagable.  I myself have found  that "Pet Pevees" are far to time consuming and take way to much energy from my life, so I have gotten rid of all of my peeves, though one did escape and I have not located it yet.

5:18 p.m. on August 14, 2011 (EDT)
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Seems that many are never satisfied with the way thing are working.  Though I understand the human need to tweek things, things can be tweeked far beyond actually helping the thing they were tweeked for and actually be more damaging than helpful.  In the last weeks I've read of all kinds of new buttons that would allow us to ignore each other, slash each others posts, spam and abusive tabs and others.  And on top of that now we need new rules fo each and every botton.  Someone mentioned reprimand for a trigger-happy flagger.  How many flages are each of us allowed and underwhat circustance this would apply to, are ther exceptions, ?  If you make more rules you need more enforces to police the users.  You need more judges to judge the button or flagged offences.  You also need control over those who are doing the policing.  Hummm....................I think I don't want that.  Can you imagine how clunky this site would be with all the new buttons.  And if were going to have more buttons I have few I need sewn on as well.  Heck, in 5 years we can change the name from Trialspace to Buttonspace.  Naw, this site is the gig and is working so very well.  I say leave it the same, exception below (last paragraph).

whomeworry siad:"No offense to my fellow TS members, but it behooves Alicia, et al, to leave any such judging to the web site owners and their designates.  The last thing you really want is the insane running the asylum."

Though I belive Ed said this part in jest and part in truth, in this instance, I think these are "GOLDEN WORDS OF WISDOM".  Ed,  you the winner of the GOLDEN WORDS OF WISDOM  award. 

I think that things are running great here and we would risk making this site way to clunky at best, and ruining this site at worst,  with more buttons, rules, regulations. I am diametrically opposed to adding what I belive is  unnecessary extra tools that would only serve to hinder discource about the topicis at hand and how conversation flows.  Even a good framer can have to many hammers in his tool box making unweidly or it to heavy to lift.

I think that if Alicia and Dave need more help in the moderation area of this site they are free to ask people who have been here for years and would, in their opinion, be good moderators.

 

Regarding the Offtopic thing.  I believe that we are in the offtopic section of the site?  Stay on topic, esp.,  in the off topic section.  I think I hear the hoves of the great oxymoron beast bearing down on me.  One of the nice things about this site is that, actually, we do usually stay on topic for the most part.  Check out some of the other sites out there.   We might stray a little but that is human.  It only thing that I comunicate with as of late that stays on topic  all the time, every time, is my computer.  It never interjects anything other than what I ask it to (except when I Google something and then it's the exact opposit).  Though my computer is informative and a great tool and gives me all the info I ask, it always stays on topic and is rather boring.   I fear we will read like a car manual if we are to stay on topic 100%.  I will say that on this one I'm in direct opposition of those who want more control of how conversations flow.  you are allowed to control your part of the conversation, not those of others.  We do not need more buttons and more rules to kindly ask to people to "please return to topic".  Some times what happens is that a topic is at the end of it time and there's not much more to say about the original idea. When that happens each of us is free to stop reading that topic, but that does not mean that the rest of us have to be quite jsut because you don't want to read what we say. 

I think that the only exception to the button idea is the  "spam" button, but only if it serves to help to the moderators.  Once in a while, late at night, I come across spam that will be up until the folowing day till a moderator has a chance to catch it.  It.  We would need no new rules, police, judges as spam is not allowed.  There is no middle ground or exceptions, it's flat out not allowed. 

9:11 p.m. on August 14, 2011 (EDT)
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apeman said:

..The last thing you really want is the insane running the asylum."

Though I belive Ed said this part in jest and part in truth, in this instance, I think these are "GOLDEN WORDS OF WISDOM"... 

Oh I was 100% serious in that observation.  But if you want lampoon, imagine me as the censor.

Ed

5:31 a.m. on August 15, 2011 (EDT)
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Everything Brian has to say leads me to know for sure, that he is above-average.

                                                      ~r2~

1:56 p.m. on August 15, 2011 (EDT)
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Let's please keep this thread on-topic. Thanks!

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