Summit Packs

6:36 p.m. on June 6, 2014 (EDT)
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Anyone use a REI Flash or some equivalent?  My buddy uses a North Face Verto that he carries along whenever we do summits, but I don't really want to spend 80 bucks for a summit pack.  Thinking about justifying the extra weight and hiking in a summit pack that I can bring along from base camp when bagging peaks.  Any suggestions?  Ideally, I'd like to get something under 11-12 ozs or whatever the weight of a Flash 18 would be.  Also, hydration compatible would be a plus.  I was also looking at the Sea to Summit Ultra-sil daypacks but I don't think they're hydration compatible.

5:57 a.m. on June 8, 2014 (EDT)
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I tried using those small packable bags, but found the compromise to be just too much for me. Instead I opted for a North Face Angstrom 20 which I use as a lightweight day pack and summit pack. It packs really flat so you can stick it in your big pack and not really notice it.

It also depends what you need to carry to the summit. I tack on poles, ice axe, crampons, etc.... so I need something a little sturdier than I found those packable bags to provide. Of course the heavier grade you go, the more weight you have to carry.

1:06 p.m. on June 8, 2014 (EDT)
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Thanks @TJ1984 for the advice!  I'm going to use this mainly during warm/hot conditions so I'll mainly be carrying the pack in order to contain a hydration reservoir (I have the first gen Osprey Hydraform 3L), food, and some extra clothes for those summit attempts from a hiked-in "base camp."  Weight is a concern because I'd prefer not to tack on TOO much weight when I hike the thing in with a larger pack into base camp.  Although heavy, the Osprey Hydraform has a nice rigid, curved back which will assist in the support of a frameless daypack.  Plus, since money is always an issue, I'd prefer to spend less than 50 bucks on something versus some of the pricer, more expensive options. Like I mentioned above, I really like my buddy's North Face Verto, but at 80 bucks, I can't justify spending the money.  Last year, I would mainly empty the contents of my main backpack (an Osprey Talon 44), and bring up whatever I needed for a daytrip up to a summit.  This year, I'm planning on some longer trips and I'm going to be using a bigger 60L Boreas Lost Coast bag, so the notion of bringing up a lighter packable daypack intrigues me.

3:40 p.m. on June 8, 2014 (EDT)
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I've gone through some similar gear decisions.  I have three smaller summit packs, and a buddy I hike with has the REI Flash.  Over the years we've compared notes and here's what I've come to:

  1. My 20L (+5) Lowe Alpine summit pack is my oldest technical pack and I still love it.  Yet, at 20L it does not hold all the gear that I think I need to be safe for a summit push.  I still have it for day hikes in my neighborhood, but with reluctance, I sought replacements for anything in the wilderness.  The shoulder rigging remains my absolute favorite that I've ever used.  This kind of pack is too bulky and heavy to add to a larger pack in order to have a pack just for a summit push.
  2. My primary replacement for my Lowe Alpine is the Mountain Hardwear Hueco 34.  At 34 Liters it has the space for everything I need, and then some.  If I want to push an overnight out of it... it will do it.  The technical feature list is outstanding... there are more pack tools than I need.  This kind of pack is too bulky and heavy to add to a larger pack in order to have a pack just for a summit push.
  3. Concurrent to my Hueco purchase, I bought a Black Diamond Alias Snowsport 30.  It also has plenty of room for a safe push.  While I like it, it does not have the same feature list that the Hueco has, so I lend it to my son when we go on trips.  I'll likely have more interest in using it during winter ski and snowshoe trips as the feature list is really built for that application.  The one thing I have definitely learned from this pack is that 30L is about the minimum amount of space that I feel is useful for a peak push.  Having tried to use my Lowe Alpine with the 5 Liter extension in place (making it a 25L bag), I can say that 25 Liters just is not quite enough.  This kind of pack is too bulky and heavy to add to a larger pack in order to have a pack just for a summit push.
  4. My friend's REI Flash is incredibly light, but it has less space than my 25 Liter and it really is pretty flimsy.  I get why it's useful, but the tech gear needed for a peak push would shred the Flash.  I guess that depends on the kind of peaks we're talking about here.  This kind of pack is light enough and small enough to bring along, but I question it's durability for this application.
  5. My solution to back-country peak pushes:  the Hueco 34 fits 90% of the situations I've been in.  But, if you're going into the back-country and need more space for multiple overnights and the such, then more space is needed.  I personally don't like making base camps where I leave gear behind, so I've opted for the zPacks Arc Blast with 60 Liters (which I never do seem to fill).  I have only used it for a few trips, but so far this is far and away the best pack I've ever owned.  I'll do a review when I think I've had enough time using it, but for the purpose of the "peak push" conversation I'll say this: if you have the rest of the light weight gear, you really don't need to leave anything behind in a base camp when using this pack.  My loaded pack weight (including everything except water and food) is 10.78 lbs.  This gives me the flexibility to not play the base-camp game at all.  Along with the other Ultralight gear, this is an expensive route; perhaps one to work toward.

All told, I would think bringing a secondary pack is too much bulk and weight.  I'd bag the idea.  :)

4:29 p.m. on June 8, 2014 (EDT)
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Thanks for the info @herdingcats!  I was mainly thinking of getting a summit pack/packable daypack for my planned multi-day trip to Mineral King when we would have the opportunity to do alot of day trips from various areas along the little five lakes/big five lakes loop.  I guess if I had a zPacks Blast, it would be a non-issue since they're SO LIGHT!  But, I wound up getting a Lost Coast instead for just over a hundred bucks and the 60L size compounded with the 3 and a half pound weight seems like overkill when daytripping in the the Sierra.

The Osprey Talon 44 I usually use for 3-day trips is manageable when doing a day trip up a summit (I took the thing for the South Sister summit last summer) but it did feel like "too much" bag for the purposes of the summit.  South Sister, with the warm conditions, was also Class 1 so I didn't really need to haul a bunch of gear to be safe.  I'm not very well-versed on climbing in winter conditions and anything above Class 2+ so I was looking for a bag to take with me over fairly easy climbs when I didn't really want to bring all that much stuff.  I'm just thinking of when I did Langley last year at 14,000 ft and my buddy emptying out his Arcteryx Altra 65 and using it as a daypack which was total overkill.

BTW, I read your post in regards to injury recovery and I want to say best of luck to you!  Hopefully you are feeling better.  Injuries suck as you have mentioned.  I had to get ACL surgery last March after tearing my ACL in November 2012 (it took my insurance MONTHS before they would approve the MRI to confirm that my ACL was torn!) and recovery was a real bummer.  I made it a point to hit the recovery process with full force and was able to recover in time for the summer backpacking season.  I'm a big sports/football fan so I figured if Adrian Peterson was able to run 2000+ yds after ACL surgery I should be able to hike some.  Keep us posted on how your recovery goes!

4:49 p.m. on June 8, 2014 (EDT)
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Copy that.  Have fun this summer!

1:31 p.m. on June 11, 2014 (EDT)
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I use the Cold Cold World Ozone for summits.  simple, light (no frame except for a doubled-over foam pad), exceedingly durable (the body of the pack is 1000 denier ballistic nylon).  costs around $100.  a small shop that will customize at your request - this is a stock photo, mine has a pair of webbing chains sewn on so i can attach crampons or snowshoes. 

yes, it's an expense.  i guess the question is, how long do you want your gear to last? this thing will give you years if not decades of reliable use. 


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1:12 a.m. on June 16, 2014 (EDT)
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I realise this is a bit late, but for other people that might be looking at more options..

I try to go light with my main pack, so often I don't need a separate pack. Of course this is not always possible, and depending on how much weight you want to bring to the peak, I have a Sea to Summit Ultra Sil Dry Daypack.

It packs up super small. Coated sil-nylon and totally seam sealed dry top. So, your gear should be safe in the rain.

Some compression, and weighs only 90 grams. If I have difficult gear in there, I put a very thin rolled up foam sit pad in there. With that it actually carries really well. Been using it on a lot of flights and train rides over the past year and it has held up really well. No bottle holders on the side or anything, but then again, it fold up the size of a kiwi when I don't need it. 

I use it as a stuff sack for my down jacket, or as a pillow, etc in my main pack. 


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12:41 a.m. on July 10, 2014 (EDT)
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I have an REI Flash 18 which I have used double-duty as a sleeping bag stuff sack and a summit/day-hike pack.  It's worked out pretty well but it's fairly heavy for the way I use it.

More recently I've been using a Sea to Summit Ultrasil Day Pack.  It's extremely basic, but it only weighs 2.5 oz, so it is ideal for how I use it (again, sleeping bag sack + summit pack).  In spite of its light weight, it has stood up so far to one 30-day thru hike and a handful of weekend trips.  I think there's a (or maybe a couple) small puncture hole(s) in it so far.

But this is working out for me so I plan to continue with this one.  And it's far less than the 11-12 ounces the OP budgeted, and serves double duty as a stuff sack.

9:54 a.m. on July 11, 2014 (EDT)
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