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12:50 a.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
whiteshirtbrian
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My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Appalachian Trail. I'm looking for a backpack. External frame is supposed to carry a heavier load, but internal frame seems to have more comfort features (technology, adjustments, load lifter straps, etc). Which one would you recommend for 10 hours of walking?

I'm an experienced scout, but I've only used Jansport external frame. Jansport just can't handle the heavy load or the long miles. Before I plop down $300 bones on a new pack I need to hear it straight from one who has put in the grueling miles.

Thanks, Brian (28 years old.)

 
10:04 a.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
Brian in SLC
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Have a friend who through hiked the AT. Never carried more than 35 pounds on her back. Usually under 30.

She carried a smallish day and a half pack was all.

I think most folks who successfully hike the AT do it ultralight.

-Brian in SLC

 
10:44 a.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
SteveTheFolkie
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Your pack requirements for the AT are dictated by the "style" in which you're planning to thru-hike. Some people resupply every couple of days (it's possible on many stretches to do so) ,are willing to rely on the shelters (occasionally quite crowded) and don't do much in the way of cooking, photography, side hikes or the like - hence they carry very little. Others tend to try and avoid towns (count me as being from that group) so tend to carry a week or more food with them, avoid the shelters by camping (I'm a tarp guy, many others prefer the privacy of a tent) and look upon backpacking the AT as more of a wilderness experience than a rolling social convention - hence we tend to carry more weight.
I've met and hiked with members of the ultralight set - and can understand their point of view - hiking unencumbered is always nicer than playing pack-mule - until the weather really sucks or you get sick and tired of hitting every little grocery store along the way to re-supply.
Keep in mind that you're going to be out there for the better part of five months - and that a somewhat empty larger pack will carry a lot better than a stuffed to the gills ultralight pack any day of the week.
I've not thru-hiked but I have done long (multi-week) section hikes on the AT at various times of the year and never regretted my external framed pack - in fact I find that in the summer (nice and humid in VA, MD and PA) the airflow between the external frame and my back is a distinct advantage over the body hugging nature of my internal frame pack (an older North Face).
I suppose you need to define your own personal hiking style, figure out what you intend to carry and let those factors determine what kind of pack you'll be happiest carrying.

 
11:46 a.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
Bill S
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

There are a wide variety of styles for through-hiking. Most tend toward the light to ultralight style. Carrying a heavy pack slows you down considerably, maybe even into the under-10 miles a day range (plus rest days, which everyone takes along the way). An ultralight pack can put you into the 25-30 mile per day range.

The guru of ultralight is Ray Jardine. Even if you want to go in super-luxo style, you should take a look at his book Beyond Backpacking. You might not want to go all the way to his 10-pound pack, but you can get a lot of hints on how to lighten the load.

For anything over 3 or 4 days on the trail, I tend to shift toward the ultralight category, simply because I hate to carry loads. 'Course, "ultralight" is a relative thing. Last month, I crossed paths with Jardine and his wife in Antarctica. They were hauling sleds and into the 50-60 pound range - but you have to carry 30 or more days of food and a lot warmer clothes than you would on the AT (or JMT or PCT, or ...).

If you do the whole AT , or a major portion in one push, you will be re-supplying - even at 30 miles per day, you are talking about a couple months of food, which is in the hundred pound category. If you take advantage of the closer spacing of re-supply points, you can stay under 30 pounds total weight easily, even with a fairly luxurious sleeping and clothing arrangement. The AT, unlike the PCT, has water refill frequently enough that you can get by with 2 one liter bottles (or a small Camelbak and 1 liter bottle), so you won't have stretches where you have to carry 3 or 4 liters of water (10+ pounds just in water).

As for external vs internal frame packs, your Jansport is not a particularly comfortable pack. There are better ones that are lighter and will carry a heavier load more comfortably than your Jansport or any internal frame pack. Internals are intended for places where you need maneuverability, like climbing or skiing. On the AT, you are on good trails the whole way. Externals are cooler against your back than internals, which is important in the AT from the southern end up through at least Maryland. Most important, though, is proper fitting of the pack, whether external or internal (sounds from your post that your Jansport wasn't fitted properly). Get together with an experienced packfitter in your area. A properly fit pack makes all the difference in the world, second only to properly fitted boots (most through-hikers these days, especially the ultralight crowd, use trail-runners rather than boots - what I use for anything over 25-30 miles, unless I am carrying a really heavy load of climbing gear).

Before you head out on your thru-hike, go through your gear very thoroughly. Lose anything you don't really need and replace what yo are taking with lighter gear that will serve the same purpose. You can probably cut your sleeping bag weight to 2 pounds or less and your tent to under 3 pounds. Use a closed cell foam pad instead of an inflatable (less than a half-pound vs close to 2 pounds). Consider the weight of your cookpots carefully (you probably only need one pot, for example), and the weight of your stove. Do a trade on the type of fuel you will carry (for long trips, white gas stove plus fuel weights usually ends up lighter than compressed gas when you include the empty canisters that have to be carried out). Consider how much clothing you really need (all the other thru-hikers are skipping baths, too, and no one cares about your clothing styles out there - plus you can cache changes of clothing at some of your re-supply points, which you will want to do for socks in any case).

Planning and lots of thought is the secret to success.

 
12:23 p.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
whiteshirtbrian
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Thanks for the advice. I'm not new to hiking, but I've never gone more than 50 miles in five days. I've done a lot of research for this, now I'm putting together gear that works. Next I'll test it with some hikes, then put together an AT plan. I've never done "ultra light" but I know I can cut my gear down to nill. I'll be damned if I'm eating noodles the whole way. Ultimately I'm in it for the wilderness experience and the bulk of my weight is going to be cookset & food. My hope would be to only resupply every 5-10 days but I don't know how feasible that is. I'll do several test hikes, but first I need a backpack.

I've already got a gram-counting stove (MSR pocket rocket) and 2-lb 10-oz shelter (HennessyHammock.com)

 
12:35 p.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
Brian in SLC
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Another thing to consider is downstream wear and tear on your body. When I was younger, I carried a ton of weight on my back 'cause I could. Now, older and wiser (debatable!), I wish I hadn't. Back, shoulders, neck, hips, knees...all see more wear and tear than you'd think when you shoulder that heavy load.

I like noodles...

-Brian in SLC

 
3:02 p.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
SteveTheFolkie
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Ahh .. the trail of ramen noodles ... funny how good they taste after 10-12 days on the trail - but you know you've eaten an excessive amount when you start to debate which flavor packet is best amongst the others on the trai.

As for "The AT, unlike the PCT, has water refill frequently enough that you can get by with 2 one liter bottles (or a small Camelbak and 1 liter bottle), so you won't have stretches where you have to carry 3 or 4 liters of water (10+ pounds just in water). " -
This is generally true - however - we've had droughts a couple times in the past decade where water was quite hard to come by on some sections, at least in Pennsylvania, where some of the springs had dried up, leaving some folks in a very literal sense - high and dry. Not a good situation when it's hot (90+) and humid (80%+).
I also have knees that really wish stuff had been lighter when I started backpacking - and shoulders that wish stuff had been better designed when I started backpacking - but hey - when Earle hiked the AT for the first time his equipment was darned primitive ... and he made it.
I admire Jardine for his ultralight approach - assuming that what he's reported is true (and I've no reason to doubt him) he's accomplished quite a bit - but when I see ultralight gear for a three to six month trek I have to question the durability of it -
You may well enjoy http://whiteblaze.net/ - as a resource dedicated to the AT -

Steve

 
4:16 p.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
Happy
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

I did a thru-hike in 04 and sectioning the PCT now. My pack weight was uner 20 lbs (11.5 lbs base wt.) when I finished. I carry about 25 lbs on the PCT. Let me know if you want some tips. Internal is the way to go. I carried a Equinox Katahdin Pack, 3500cc at 24 oz. Happy

 
10:14 p.m. on February 19, 2007 (EST)
Chumango
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Resupply every 10 days can get heavy, especially later in the hike. You'll be consuming 5000+ calories per day, since you will have used all of your body fat. That adds up quickly.

I'm all for light weight, but in my opinion it can be taken too far. A few years ago I spent the night at the Tricorner Knob shelter (5900 ft) in the Smokies in March, and there were a number of through hikers there. It had snowed, and was about 20 degrees. One of the through hikers bragged that his total pack weight was 17 lbs. I'm sure he could cover lots of ground that way, but it made me wonder watching him hike off wearing his 17 lb pack, his kilt, his long sleeve T-shirt, and his trail runners, in the snow and cold. That's about all he had.

 
6:56 p.m. on February 21, 2007 (EST)
whiteshirtbrian
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Chumango, I totally agree that people can take the light weight mentality too far. There are some things I'm just not going to do without (dry socks come to mind). Having said that I appreciate everyone's encouragement to "go light". I'll take that to heart. But I gotta see it to believe it when I hear so-and-so only carried 17 lbs. (Happy, I'm gonna definately email you to get that 25 lbs gear list.)

Some days are going to be light and the Hundred Mile Wilderness is going to be long, but I'm not going to eat Top Roman for a week straight just to brag my pack is 17 pounds. I've seen guys take off with nothing more than peanut butter sandwiches and that's unhealthy in my opinion.

I'm going to do as everyone suggests and shoot for under 35 pounds on my pre-hikes this summer. From there I'm sure I can cut it down.

 
9:30 p.m. on February 21, 2007 (EST)
Chumango
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Having said that, every year I do something to cut my pack weight. I have a spreadsheet with current gear, weight, and possible gear purchases, with a calculated $ per oz lost. This goes in hand with taking fewer things that I find I don't really need or use.

 
10:58 p.m. on February 21, 2007 (EST)
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

whiteshirtbrian-
I've heard of people filling gelatin capsules (like the kind medicines come in) with cooking oil, and nothing else (!!) for calories.

 
12:48 a.m. on February 22, 2007 (EST)
Scott L Edwards
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

My favorite pack is small but it does the job. I had straps sewen to the bottom to carry my thermal rest and sleeping bag. My pack is the Mountain Hardwear Drifter. You can check this out at www.mountainhardwear.com or go to Moosejaw.com which is where I buy most of my equipment.

 
7:59 a.m. on February 22, 2007 (EST)
SteveTheFolkie
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

"I've heard of people filling gelatin capsules (like the kind medicines come in) with cooking oil, and nothing else (!!) for calories."
Can you imagine the long term impact on ones health? Same applies to those who exist on a steady diet of ramen noodles and dry cereal. You're calling on your body to do a lot on a thru-hike - it deserves better than a starvation diet. To me, one of the great joys of backpacking is cooking dinner - I'm more than happy to tote a couple extra pounds of "stuff" to be able to do so. The hungry stares from others near where I'm camping tend to make me think I've made the right choice.
Having 20 years on the fella who started this thread, some amount of comfort in camp is important to me.
Laugh if you will at my thick ensolite pad strapped to the outside of my pack, chuckle as I lay out my spices and cooking supplies. Chortle a bit as I pull out a food bag bigger than your pack, but don't come droolin' my way when the smell of my dinner comes wafting your way!
I'm not out there to prove how much of a "hair shirt" life I can live, and I'm not looking for bragging rights (I hiked the whole AT with nothing but a fanny pack and a space blanket for a max pack weight of 3 pounds!), I'm out to enjoy myself - I mean if you're not having fun - why do it?

 
8:16 p.m. on February 27, 2007 (EST)
whiteshirtbrian
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

Steve, I like the way you think. But somehow this topic morphed from "which type pack should I go with?" to weight issues.

I got a super deal on a brand new Kelty Redcloud 5600 ($146 on eBay). I pray I never fill it up but I don't care, the space is there if I need it. Taking the girlfriend first time hiking or being out with my Boy Scout troop I have a feeling I might end up the pack mule.

I'll post an official product review after I've done some hiking with it, but right out of the box this pack is heavy. Feels like 10 pounds to pick up empty, but soooo much more comfortable strapped to my back than an external frame. And I already like the multitude of adjustments that you just can't do with an external. I have a feeling I'm gonna love this pack.

 
12:53 p.m. on February 28, 2007 (EST)
Bill S
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

whiteshirtbrian -
(BTW, how do you keep your shirt white during your thru-hike?) Anyway, you have just experienced one of the negatives of "modern improvements" to packs, namely a huge amount of excess weight. My old Kelty Backpacker external frame (the one I bought from Dick Kelty himself in about 1960) is 2.5 pounds, and I have comfortably carried 60-70 pounds in/on it (2/3 of which was the climbing gear). I have a Kelty Sherpa I bought about 1995 that is also an external frame that is also quite comfortable at high weights, but a bit harder to load with awkward shaped loads (single huge sack, so the frame itself is harder to get at). It has all sorts of accessory straps, removeable pockets, and adjustments for everything. The Sherpa is 8 pounds empty! That's an extra 5.5 pounds for no real gain in carrying capacity or comfort. For climbing and BC ski expeditions, I have a Dana Terraplane that has served me well and is quite comfortable when loaded with climbing gear up to 50 pounds, but frankly not as comfortable as either of the Kelty externals at the 60-70 pound level (much hotter on the back in summer Sierra or Rockies trips or slogging up the lower part of the Kahiltna in the "reflector oven" area). It weighs 8.5 pounds empty. Yeah, it has lots of straps to adjust everything and you can get some accessory pockets.

But I also have a Kelty Cloud (the white superlight version). In its stripped form (lots of stuff can be removed), it is about 2 pounds, and with all accessories it is about 4 or 5 pounds (Jim S, check me on this - Jim has one as well). Being an internal, it is good for anything requiring maneuverability (ski, climb, rough cross-country hiking). But it again suffers from summer heat. It isn't as comfortable with heavy loads (anything above 45-50 pounds) as the external Kelty's or the Dana. I am a bit surprised that your Red Cloud is so heavy. You say 10 pounds, but I think if you weigh it, it will be more like the 8.5 of my Dana.

I won an Osprey Aether 60 in a drawing a couple years back (one of the very few drawings I have ever one). It is an internal, weighing something like 3 pounds. At 60 liters, it is plenty for summer extended backpacks, and even is fairly comfortable for weekend backcountry climbs, up to 50 pounds. Except, being an internal, it has the same overheating problem in hot weather - there just is not enough circulation to keep your back cool with an internal, like an external provides.

The basic point here is that packs of equal comfort vary drastically in weight. "Modern" packs have way too many added "features", most of which are not needed if the pack fits you properly in the first place. The extra adjustment straps and pads are really just band-aids for poor design by people designing for fashion instead of function. The one exception I would make here is Dana Gleason's designs - his packs are really comfortable, both under the name Dana Packs and the later Mystery Ranch name. The Mystery Ranch ones are a bit weird, but amazingly functional and comfortable. They are heavy, though.

The reason the discussion turned to weight of stuff carried is that the pack to choose really should be driven, as several pointed out, by what you need to carry. With a big emphasis on "NEED to carry". You can be quite comfortable with lighter weight gear in a smaller pack, if you give it a lot of thought. Of course, what you "need" depends on you. For me, the DSLR with a couple of extra lenses is vitally needed, even though it adds 6 or 7 pounds. Some people are happy without a camera or with a P&S that weighs 5 or 6 ounces. Some people feel the need to bathe every day on the trail and so carry a SunShower (hey, there's nobody out there except other thruhikers who haven't bathed in a month either).

 
3:06 p.m. on February 28, 2007 (EST)
SteveTheFolkie
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Re: My dream is to thru-hike the AT...

heh ... "(hey, there's nobody out there except other thruhikers who haven't bathed in a month either)." - brought to mind something I read in an outdoor survival book years ago (Larry Dean Olsen, perhaps?) - anyhow he said how his students were complaining about the smell of a dead deer he was harvesting some tissue from - so he invited them over - got 'em to help and then they "all smelled the same" -

Watch trying to pass yourself off as a thru-hiker if you don't stink - some folks might not buy the claim (especially if you're somehow managing to keep that white shirt clean!)

 
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