Another European tent maker: Robens

1:21 a.m. on August 31, 2011 (EDT)
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Looks like these guys have many interesting tents as well:

http://www.robens.de/en/About%20Us.aspx

 

 

This one has my fancy at the moment:

http://www.campingworld.co.uk/Models.aspx?ModelID=7100

 

I belive there a product of the UK.

 

 

 

1:26 a.m. on August 31, 2011 (EDT)
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Re: Another Euro tent maker Robens

We should make a thread with the companies we found so far. Plus other members could add companies we have yet to hear about(maybe with links to the companies home page.) I am sure the knowledgeable members in the land of Trailspace have alot of info out there in regards to tents they have come across over the years. There is alot I am unfamiliar with....

Maybe an over-seas tent manufacturer directory?

It may very well broaden our choices. :)

11:38 a.m. on August 31, 2011 (EDT)
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Sounds like a good idea, my buddy has an ultralight tent from Japan that is very cool. I need to find out the brand...........

3:20 p.m. on September 1, 2011 (EDT)
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Here is a site that has a bunch of differt EURO tents on their site at reduced prices from their original MSRP.  This is by no means the totality of all the tent makers in The Euro-Zone but it does give us a flavor in regrds as to what there up to relating to tent building.  The easiest way to get to the tents is thru the buttons just to the left at the top of the page.  This site also has many other items realating to backpacking many of which I have not had the chance to look at yet.  Enjoy.

http://www.campingworld.co.uk/

3:54 p.m. on September 1, 2011 (EDT)
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alright, I can see that you guys are hot on it, so here it goes:

http://www.outdoor-show.com/od-en/

this is the biggest outdoor trade show in europe, taking place one's a year in germany.  you can have a look on the last one (2011) and see all the diffrent exhibitors, and then with time and energy - an endlest list of brands to look at (you need to google the names and not enough info regarding what type of products etc) :) it's a bit like what I did when I first found trailspace - just looked by alphabet at the gear brands list...

I wasn't thinking about it, but Salewa sales only boots in the US right? well, they also make good tents, very popular in germany, austria etc.

http://www.salewa.com/tents

I have a Micra, about 11 years old and still going strong.


8:23 p.m. on September 1, 2011 (EDT)
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nirotem said:

alright, I can see that you guys are hot on it, so here it goes:

http://www.outdoor-show.com/od-en/

this is the biggest outdoor trade show in europe, taking place one's a year in germany.  you can have a look on the last one (2011) and see all the diffrent exhibitors, and then with time and energy - an endlest list of brands to look at (you need to google the names and not enough info regarding what type of products etc) :) it's a bit like what I did when I first found trailspace - just looked by alphabet at the gear brands list...

I wasn't thinking about it, but Salewa sales only boots in the US right? well, they also make good tents, very popular in germany, austria etc.

http://www.salewa.com/tents

I have a Micra, about 11 years old and still going strong.


 

As Cartman would say on "South Park". 

 

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1:35 p.m. on September 2, 2011 (EDT)
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cool apeman, I am happy you like it :) I guess I'm living in both worlds and kind of know my way around and am exposed to the selection on both sides of the atlantic. but on that note - I found a lot of the euro brands to be too simple or over engineered. I think the size of the outdoor market in the US is so big so there is just more cash there, and the company's are free to simply make smart gear (you won't really find anything like tarptent, cilogear, titanium goat etc made in europe - but that should go on a N.America VS Euro gear :) )

3:20 p.m. on September 4, 2011 (EDT)
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nirotem Said : "I think the size of the outdoor market in the US is so big so there is just more cash there, and the company's are free to simply make smart gear (you won't really find anything like tarptent, cilogear, titanium goat etc made in europe..........."


Dang dude. You've harshed my reality in a really big way!!!  I've been on the hunt for a "titanium goat" as an addition to my hobby farm.  Legend has it their indestructible and live forever, related to the golden Unicorn if my memeory serves my correctly.  Plus the meat of the young "titanium goat" is said to be delectable.   The search goes on............. 

3:29 p.m. on September 4, 2011 (EDT)
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I meant it in a good way - I think that the gear in the US is simply smarter - I own a cilogear and plan on getting a tarptent when I have the cash and would love a titanium goat - but have no use for it as for now :) look no more...

6:40 a.m. on September 5, 2011 (EDT)
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I'm not sure US tents being smarter. Rita and I are looking for a new base camp tent, and the Easy-camp Baltimore 400 looks great for us. The thing that the euro tent do have over US tents is an understanding of wind, rain, and livable area. Large US tents are ether a simple dome w/o porch, or a wall tent that wont do in higher winds w/o porch. Plus most euro tents have a higher waterproof rainfly. We have been using a Halfords Dugdale as a base camp for two years with out a problem. I did replace the poles the day that I got it. But it has been a nice tent for us. Rita just wants more living area for the winters here. And the tents here in the states just dont match up to those in the UK.

9:34 a.m. on September 5, 2011 (EDT)
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Dang !

I wonder (?) about acquiring gear from abroad (outside USA).

Warranty issues come to mind.

No doubt the engineering and workmanship are good.   But, we here (USA) can do that.

Labor costs ?  

We can adjust that.   Small, home-based "Mom & Pop" ... also, "boutique" manufacturers are often overlooked.

"Build it and they will come" ...   ("Field of Dreams",  "Shoeless Joe")

                                        

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1:28 p.m. on September 5, 2011 (EDT)
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Robert Rowe said:

Dang !

I wonder (?) about acquiring gear from abroad (outside USA).

Warranty issues come to mind.

No doubt the engineering and workmanship are good.   But, we here (USA) can do that.

Labor costs ?  

We can adjust that.   Small, home-based "Mom & Pop" ... also, "boutique" manufacturers are often overlooked.

"Build it and they will come" ...   ("Field of Dreams",  "Shoeless Joe")

                                        

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 Hey Robert,  I agree with some of what you say.  We do have the ability to engineer/design tents here.  We "used" to be able to do the workmanship here.  I don't think we can adjust the labor costs until we are all willing to take a cut in the standard of living so as to make the labor costs afforadable.  Would you go sew a quality tent for $5 to $10 an hour knowing that the company that is selling the tents is selling it for $400-$1200+?  I personally don't know anyone who would and I know a lot of poor people.    Not trying to be rude here by any means but we here in the states "sold our souls to the devil".  America has lost it's way and its drive.  I hope, but do not think that either will be found in my lifetime.  Even if a slew of people started business in tent manufacturing it would take 4-10 years for R&D, prototypes, testing, reviews, working the kinks out and then comming out with a quality product.  And then they would still be competing with the already establishied "Hillebergs" of the world.  I'm 52 now and by the time decent tents come out I'll be dead or senial.  No,  the time of American gear for me is long gone.  I want some select vintage stuff from the states but we are a consumer/spending society in which 3/4's of our our economy comes from spending, not making things.  Not likly to change within the near future and I want stuff now, not when I'm 70 or 80, heck that's when I'll be getting rid of stuff, not getting stuff.

 

mikemorrow said: "The thing that the euro tent do have over US tents is an understanding of wind, rain, and livable area."

I agree with you 100%.  One of the big problems is that American companies typically do not listen and respond to the needs and desires of the customesrs who use there products. They take the attitude that if they sit behind a desk and design it, we will all just shut up and buy it.  Many will.  I will not tolerate such behavior and as such I will go spend my money elsewhere.  The UK is making tents of such high quality that we in America should be ashamed of ourself's.  It just that our nationalist attitude does not allow that.  Nearly all of my money spent on "new" good quality gear will be going over seas for the near and medium future.  Sad, but I will not pay high prices for what I consider to be inferior products.

 mikemorrow said:  "We have been using a Halfords Dugdale as a base camp for two years with out a problem."

Once again a good review of a tent "not" made in the USA.  This tent was Made is Scotland.

11:01 p.m. on September 5, 2011 (EDT)
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Brian.

I disagree with you.

I would pay $20 / hr ... perhaps more ... for someone to sew the tents.   Keep it small, and "in-house".

Sell the tents at whatever is appropriate for the "The best dang tent in the world".

And, it would be.   I would "sell no tent before its time".

There are waiting-lists for lotsa custom-made camping and hiking gear.

This would be no different.

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4:12 a.m. on September 6, 2011 (EDT)
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@Robert Rowe :  I know you would pay the high prices that a American tent company would charge.  But how many tents would you actually buy?  A hand full of use would buy one or maybe at best two, but alas not vey many othrs would.  The American public is in the the "Walmart" mindset.  I wish it weren't that way but it is.  Walmart sells alot of tents to the throngs of Americans who inhabit their stores day in and day out.  With the American econmey in the state that it is,  I don't know very many people that would put down a huge amount of money on a tent or any other expensive piece of gear.  Even here at Trailspace I don't see or hear many buyng expensive tent's (we could take a poll of cource).   Most of the tents that people buy are on the lesser end of the money scale rather than the expensive end of things.  I mean I could be wrong, but I keep getting really cheap deals on really nice tents cause no one will buy them except me.......................... 

 

I believe the trend in America is to build the cheapest, lightest tent for the most money possible and say it in the interest of going UL.  Now that's all fine and good if you want a lite tent.  Not me I'm in line with what the Europeans are doing and thinking.  Dosen't mean anyone else has to be, but I really like what I'm seeing from across the pond and I don't see much over here that I'm interested in.  At the moment I'm really leaning towards the Vango Force Ten line.  Still on the hunt but I believe their right on tract with what I expect out of a tent.

10:50 a.m. on November 5, 2011 (EDT)
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next purchase,casino?

11:24 a.m. on November 5, 2011 (EDT)
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The USA does not produce light tents such as the Hillebergs, that come even close to the best Euro. tents. The better US brands, are made in  Asian, largely Chinese sweatshops to meet the "Wally world" attitudes of most US-and Canadian-buyers.

The USA and Canada, USED to produce superb tents, no more and now the USA produces SOME of the finest sleeping bags made anywhere and, in McHale and Mystery Ranch, the finest packs, custom and production, I know of and I have owned and used Euro. and UK gear as well as that from "the Antipodes".

People in North America, are spoiled as we sell off our vanishing and irreplaceable natural resources for pennies and spend our taxes on useless and culturally destructive programmes such as "multiculti" and "arts" and "sports" funding. We are, like it or not, a decadent and dying civilization and this is one of the sad indications of that fact.

Apeman is right about this and it is even worse here in Canada, which makes me very POed.

6:16 p.m. on November 5, 2011 (EDT)
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unk said:

next purchase,casino?

Hey not sure what you meant by casino?

If the question was directed at me. Well....................

My next purchase will most likely be a vintage tent that is way under priced and way over engineered. It will be another solid 4 season tent of any varying size that will allow me to use it under most conditions including those that are at the extreme’s. It will be well ventilated by using time tested means. It will be a tent that has been proven time and time again through out the years with gobs and gobs of good reviews. It will be a tent that, at the price I get it for will only increase in value and even if I use it, so that when I go to sell it I will make money. It will be a tent that if anything goes wrong with it it will be worth fixing instead of throwing away. It will be a tent engineered and built out of real time tested materials that have been used for years and are still being used today and are not just a fad. It will be a tent that is used or at least As New, not bought from a store but from an individual that wanted to pay the markup and then pass the savings on to me. It will not be a tent made nor designed in the USA unless, with a few exceptions, it is a vintage tent. One of those exceptions would be the Mountain Hardwear Trango 4, with the entire Trango line of tents being beyond reproach (IMHO). It will be most likely be a European tent if it is a newer or a As New tent as I believe the Europeans have the vision of what I want in a tent is all about(and it sure ain't screen) and not a fuu fuu tent that is just dumped on the American market for mass consumption and to bankroll the quarterly profits of some company that dose not even realize that they have a part of the company that actually makes outdoor equipment.

Don't ask me how I really feel!

 

3:03 p.m. on November 6, 2011 (EST)
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Here are a few interesting sites I have come across-

http://www.expgear.com/alphalist.shtml (company list, but far from complete)

http://www.bluedome.co.uk/ A UK adventure site

http://www.spadout.com/ (a price comparison site)

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com Another UK adventure site

http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/ A big UK outdoor retailer

http://www.bask.info/ All of this stuff is made in Russia, but can be ordered from Canada; lots of cold weather gear, no idea about the quality

http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/ UK tent maker

There is a Japanese company called ICI, but their online catalog is undergoing a revision, so it is offline. I saw all kinds of interesting tents when the site was up.

3:24 p.m. on November 6, 2011 (EST)
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Kewl, Thanks Tom I'm sure everyone will enjoy these.  It'll take me a while to plow thur these as I made it up to 32.2  baud +/- (usually minus) today.

12:22 a.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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still prefer MH as their tents are very good

12:23 a.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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and Mountain Hardware is American based

10:27 a.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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Mountain Hardwear is good quality, but like most brands do not make their gear in the US.  For that matter, few of the European brands make their gear in Europe, Hilleberg is the big exception.  For better or worse the Europeans design tents differently than US companies; more tunnel shapes versus domes, larger vestibules, flies which go all the way to the ground...

I like poking around on European blogs, especially the ultralight bloggers.  Lots of the gear used, as opposed to clothing, are from US brands rather than European brands.

10:35 a.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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Go figure. We in the US have somewhat of a desire for Euro models and the people over there have a desire for US models... lol.

1:44 p.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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Which model are you talking about ?

1:47 p.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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alan said:

Mountain Hardwear is good quality, but like most brands do not make their gear in the US.  For that matter, few of the European brands make their gear in Europe, Hilleberg is the big exception.  For better or worse the Europeans design tents differently than US companies; more tunnel shapes versus domes, larger vestibules, flies which go all the way to the ground...

I like poking around on European blogs, especially the ultralight bloggers.  Lots of the gear used, as opposed to clothing, are from US brands rather than European brands.

 I ,

don't like the tunnel tent style,

do like dome-sih tents (free standing),

do like two vestibules,

do like fly going all the way to the ground,

do like superlight,

do like ability to go extreme light without the tent, i.e. fly and footprint only

So the Mountain Hadware Skyledge 2.1 works for me.

It took a lot of looking and three purchases over 12months to get happy.

2:48 p.m. on November 7, 2011 (EST)
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apeman said:

unk said:

next purchase,casino?

Hey not sure what you meant by casino?

If the question was directed at me. Well....................

My next purchase will most likely be a vintage tent that is way under priced and way over engineered. It will be another solid 4 season tent of any varying size that will allow me to use it under most conditions including those that are at the extreme’s. It will be well ventilated by using time tested means. It will be a tent that has been proven time and time again through out the years with gobs and gobs of good reviews. It will be a tent that, at the price I get it for will only increase in value and even if I use it, so that when I go to sell it I will make money. It will be a tent that if anything goes wrong with it it will be worth fixing instead of throwing away. It will be a tent engineered and built out of real time tested materials that have been used for years and are still being used today and are not just a fad. It will be a tent that is used or at least As New, not bought from a store but from an individual that wanted to pay the markup and then pass the savings on to me. It will not be a tent made nor designed in the USA unless, with a few exceptions, it is a vintage tent. One of those exceptions would be the Mountain Hardwear Trango 4, with the entire Trango line of tents being beyond reproach (IMHO). It will be most likely be a European tent if it is a newer or a As New tent as I believe the Europeans have the vision of what I want in a tent is all about(and it sure ain't screen) and not a fuu fuu tent that is just dumped on the American market for mass consumption and to bankroll the quarterly profits of some company that dose not even realize that they have a part of the company that actually makes outdoor equipment.

Don't ask me how I really feel!

 

have a look there, they are great!

http://www.crux.uk.com/en/tents.php

4:25 a.m. on November 8, 2011 (EST)
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nirotem said:

apeman said:

unk said:

next purchase,casino?

Hey not sure what you meant by casino?

If the question was directed at me. Well....................

My next purchase will most likely be a vintage tent that is way under priced and way over engineered. It will be another solid 4 season tent of any varying size that will allow me to use it under most conditions including those that are at the extreme’s. It will be well ventilated by using time tested means. It will be a tent that has been proven time and time again through out the years with gobs and gobs of good reviews. It will be a tent that, at the price I get it for will only increase in value and even if I use it, so that when I go to sell it I will make money. It will be a tent that if anything goes wrong with it it will be worth fixing instead of throwing away. It will be a tent engineered and built out of real time tested materials that have been used for years and are still being used today and are not just a fad. It will be a tent that is used or at least As New, not bought from a store but from an individual that wanted to pay the markup and then pass the savings on to me. It will not be a tent made nor designed in the USA unless, with a few exceptions, it is a vintage tent. One of those exceptions would be the Mountain Hardwear Trango 4, with the entire Trango line of tents being beyond reproach (IMHO). It will be most likely be a European tent if it is a newer or a As New tent as I believe the Europeans have the vision of what I want in a tent is all about(and it sure ain't screen) and not a fuu fuu tent that is just dumped on the American market for mass consumption and to bankroll the quarterly profits of some company that dose not even realize that they have a part of the company that actually makes outdoor equipment.

Don't ask me how I really feel!

 

have a look there, they are great!

http://www.crux.uk.com/en/tents.php

 

 

These look like quality tents from first glance.  Yet again form Europe.  Seems like everything coming from Europe gear wise right now is quality.  I haven't opened up a link and seen anything substanderd from Europe as I have with much of what's coming out in the US.  Of cource we all have different standards.

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