FS Rare Moss Cricket

12:28 a.m. on February 8, 2009 (EST)
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This is an extremely rare 1979 Moss Cricket bivy tent. In very good condition; no rips, tears, holes, or mildew. Pole sets(2) in very good condition also. Comes with: tent, tent bag, poles & pole bag, stakes & stake bag. Email me for pictures or to ask questions. I will accept $175 which includes USPS postage in the continental U.S.

3:02 p.m. on February 8, 2009 (EST)
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I have also listed this tent on locally. To see pictures of my tent, go to:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/spo/1026148972.html

The ad will be removed when the tent is sold, and I will note the status here also.

9:40 a.m. on February 9, 2009 (EST)
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I don't need it, but I wish I did. Very nice piece of kit.

11:45 a.m. on February 9, 2009 (EST)
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Thank you Alan. I've come to a point in my life where I need to divest myself of much of the "stuff" that doesn't get as much use as it should. I have 100+ tents that should be enjoyed instead of sitting in my gear dungeon. The majority of these are Moss(50+), and Walrus(30+), withe the remaining tents being Noall, North Face, EMS, Sierra Design, MSR, and even a bombproof old Jansport Sherpa. You can imagine what it entails getting each of these tents out and pitched at least once a year to avoid offgassing.

10:38 a.m. on February 10, 2009 (EST)
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100+ tents - I'M NOT WORTHY! Wow! By any chance you wouldn't happen to live within a day's drive of Minneapolis/St. Paul? I'd love to help you set these up and look them over.

4:30 p.m. on February 10, 2009 (EST)
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I know, the tent thing IS a bit (A BIT?) OCD. I got sucked in when in the early 1970's I discovered that there was an alternative to the cheap, single wall, "A" frame, Chinese, POC that had made backpacking an exercise in masochism. I first found a Gerry tent that actually had a rain fly at a garage sale, which was a huge improvement. I grew up in Burbank, California and fate led me to the Kelty shop on Victory Blvd. in Glendale, where I fell in lust with the functional art of the early Moss tents, and wasn't disappointed by any of the subsequent designs [although the Deltoid (especially the Netting Deltoid) is brutal to set up by yourself].

I have lived in Ben Lomond, CA since 1974, so although I appreciate your offer of help, it's kind of a long drive.

9:54 a.m. on February 11, 2009 (EST)
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Anybody up for a road trip? If I ever find myself in your neck of the woods I'll have to stop by and have a look at your gear dungeon as you describe it. Sounds like my kind of place. By the way, I don't think you're OCD, seems normal to me. I love pointing out to my wife there are more people like me out in the world.

7:05 p.m. on February 11, 2009 (EST)
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Abman47: You're not the only one who loves the 'vintage' gear--I find it hard to pass up tents, packs, stoves, bags, etc., etc., from the 60s-80s! Wowed by the number of Moss Tents you have...would you be in possession of a model of Moss called the Trillium? Huge tent, considered buying one back in the late 70s, but bought a NF Oval InTention instead. Don't regret buying the Oval, but that BIG Moss Trillium sure was tempting! Never seen one, and they must be rare! The other big tents I looked at that time were the Sierra Designs Mariposa and the North Face Morning Glory, but they both needed too many stakes to set up.

7:27 p.m. on February 11, 2009 (EST)
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Moss Cricket is SOLD

8:05 p.m. on February 11, 2009 (EST)
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^^ Good to see it went to a good home! Alan (I think I met you in person. I got a bunch of magazines from you along with a few other things), I'd be in for a Minnesota to Calif. roadtrip! :D

 

It is very nice to sell other vintage gear enthusiasts out there, as it's a very niche hobby.

9:04 p.m. on February 11, 2009 (EST)
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karmantra, that is one of the many tents I can only wish for. It was(is) an incredible tent. Here is the remainder of my Moss wish list If anyone out there wants to contribute to the delinquency of a senior:

 

(1) Paratent (2) Solus (3) Eave III (4) Optimum (any) (5) Olympic4

(6) Cycloid (7) Double Helix (8) Basecamp Titan (9) ** Sydney **

(10) Silicone Expedition Series (a) Outland (b) Olympic (c) Deltoid

(d) Little Dipper (e) Big Dipper

If you folks want to see a great site for Moss tents check out Tet K's anything and everything at: http://www.lazily.net

It's kind of tough to get in, I'm guessing because of a high volume of hits, but well worth the effort.

12:38 p.m. on February 12, 2009 (EST)
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I once saw a Moss Trillium in a store when I was young and too poor to buy one. I should have sold plasma to raise the funds.

11:58 p.m. on February 12, 2009 (EST)
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I once saw a Moss Trillium in a store when I was young and too poor to buy one. I should have sold plasma to raise the funds.

Alan: Lucky you got to at least see one! I've only fanatsized via pictures (sounds like tent porn!). Abman--can't help you on your wish list--my paltry inventory of Moss tents are: two Superdomes, a Starlet, an older Stardome & a Superfly, unless you count the post Moss-REI Thunderdome I have. Early North Face & Sierra Designs tents make up most of my inventory.

12:57 a.m. on February 13, 2009 (EST)
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karmantra, there's a lot to be said for the early SD and NF tents, two of my favorites were a SD "A" frame that had a cook hole in the floor and a snow tunnel, and a NF North Star that was a roomy 4 man (it would probably be an 8 man by today's standards). Besides the door, it had 2 snow tunnels and a funny little pagoda vent cap on top. I still have the baby blue pole set from the North Star, the rest of the tent and fly gave up the ghost due to U.V. degradation...sigh If you have a Moss Superfly, would you be interested in a footprint for it? This one is new old stock for the Superfly only, not the Superfly IV.

1:26 a.m. on February 13, 2009 (EST)
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Dear Abman: The SD A-frame was the Glacier model--cookhole & the tunnel door on a 'triangle' opposite from the zippered door, I have one in blue. I have a NF North Star tent, largest dome tent I have except for my 4-6 man Jan Sport Mountain Dome. I already have a footprint for my SuperFly, otherwise I would be interested in it. The other SD dome that was a work of art & an interesting design was the Octadome that they made in the early 80s--I think it was the tent designs from the innovators like Moss, North Face & Sierra Designs that really got me hooked into being a gear freak!

10:10 a.m. on February 13, 2009 (EST)
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Karmantra - the Octadome was a GREAT design, I'd love to stumble upon one at Goodwill.

Nataku - you are correct, we live in a small world. By the way I have not forgotten the catalog I need to burn and mail to you.


Cannondale made some nice tunnel tents in the day. I have three of the four versions and would love to score the fourth (model = Lackawanna) to complete the set. These tents were of the type where fly and tent pitched as one.

10:10 p.m. on February 13, 2009 (EST)
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Alan: I have two of the Octadomes--the model that has the door built in between the windows. I would love to find the later model that had the door built into one of the window alcoves. I have the Cannondale Aroostook, but not familiar with the one your needing to complete the 'quafecta'--was it larger than the Aroostook?

6:08 p.m. on February 14, 2009 (EST)
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abman47- do you have a walrus orbit rapide? i was lucky enough to pick one up at a local goodwill for $10. unfortuneatly i think it was missing a a few things. the only info i have been able to find on it is an old mother earth news article where they mention 3 different size wands to hold the fly away from the tent. mine had no wands. any personal info or any websites that would have any info would be most appreciated.

10:47 a.m. on February 16, 2009 (EST)
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Karmantra, Here's my Cannondale collection airing out in my backyard.

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/meganandrusty/cannondale/

The Lackawanna was a two person tent, but as with the Aroostook, the tent had two vestibules. The Lackawana also had snow flaps, unlike the other Cannondale tents. The photobucket page also has tent catalog scans and you can see the specs.

Actually Cannondale also made a one person bivy tent in the 1980's, shortly before they stopped making tents. Truly I have two tents left to find to round out my collection.

This site has many Cannondale catalogs and the tents are featured in the early issues. The bivy tent is in the 1984 catalog. I think the 1986 catalog was the last to feature tents.

http://www.vintagecannondale.com/catalog.html

12:02 p.m. on February 16, 2009 (EST)
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Dan, I'm sorry to say that I have neither an orbit tent, nor experience with one. I read the Mother Earth News article and from the short description I would guess that the wands are sections of tent pole tubing much like what the North Face North Star used; plastic (nylon?) discs on the rain fly received one end of the pole, with the other inserted into a grommet on the tent body. Is there anything resembling that on the Walrus Orbit?

12:17 p.m. on February 16, 2009 (EST)
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Alan: Thanks for the links! Your photobucket pictures look nice--always liked the early Cannondales--used to have their Bugger bike trailer that they made back in the 70s, still have a green Wilderness 'hybrid' pack of theirs, plus an older set of front & rear panniers--didn't realize that they sold backpack clothing! I'll keep an eye out for your tents!

12:33 p.m. on February 16, 2009 (EST)
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I have some of the bike bags as well as a backpack which is still waiting to get field tested. The tents are not light, but they will weather a storm.

5:02 a.m. on February 17, 2009 (EST)
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jim- thanks for going to the trouble to look up that mother earth news article. the article states that there are 3 different size wands for the fly. here is what i was able to come up with. the fly has 6 grommets for 3 different size poles. looks to me like it might need more than 3 poles though.

the outside of the fly has three of the nylon receiver buttons over the door. 1 in the center the other two are halfway to the end of the fly.

the underside of the fly has an almost full length sleeve above the door. there is a 12" sleeve over the rear window. there is also a 20" piece of fabric sewn to hold a 20" pole that would run perpendicular to the door window axis, that sits on top of the tent. this is on the same line that the 3rd pole would run but it is not a sleeve as the ends are sewn shut.

on the outside of the tent body there are 2 grommets on the pole sleeves that frame in the rear window. they look like they could be guy line ties by their position. a little over half way down the side. at every attachment point for the tent poles there are 2 grommets. thanks for your help on this.

alan and karmantra- those cannodale tents had a reputation for sleeping warmer than other tents. part of the attached fly making a better dead air space. i used the op60 frame pack and loved it. finally sold it because it wasn't quite long enough for my torso.

i worked at a shop in the 70's and cannondale had the best warranty of anything we sold. we had several people that had a grommet pull out of backpacks. if we had the pack in stock we were told to give the customer a new pack and cannondale would have a new one to us is 2 days. if not the customer just had to wait 2 days to get a new one.

1:06 a.m. on February 19, 2009 (EST)
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jim i contacted tent pole technologies and they have the specs of this tent and are able to make a set of fly poles for me. thanks for your effort.

1:56 p.m. on February 19, 2009 (EST)
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Excellent! When you receive them, please let me know what the specs are for future reference.

1:48 p.m. on March 1, 2009 (EST)
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Abman,

I too have a collection of Moss tents and would be interested to see if you would like to trade/sell with myself.

jaydsharp

1:48 p.m. on March 1, 2009 (EST)
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Abman,

I too have a collection of Moss tents and would be interested to see if you would like to trade/sell with myself.

jaydsharp

11:59 p.m. on March 1, 2009 (EST)
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Abman,

I too have a collection of Moss tents and would be interested to see if you would like to trade/sell with myself.

jaydsharp

You wouldn't happen to have a Moss Trillium for sale or trade, would you?

3:32 p.m. on March 4, 2009 (EST)
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jaydsharp, leave me your email address and we'll talk.

8:38 a.m. on March 7, 2009 (EST)
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9:56 p.m. on March 17, 2009 (EDT)
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Hi Guys Great thread about tent-porn; I'd be a tent junkie if I only had the space and more money ... only three currently. Guess I'm not really that hardcore. Anyway, I just put up my profile pic and you can see behind me, my beautiful Moss (Hooped) Outland. IMHO the best one person tent ever made. I bought it from a girl in Hong Kong, of all places, a few years ago in pristine condition (for a good dollar I might add) and have been thrilled with it ever since. Easy set up, perfect amount of space for one + gear, bomb proof, etc., etc., etc. A little heavy by today's standards but incredible design and quality. Wouldn't it be nice if MSR reintroduced it in latest generation fabrics and poles and cut the weight in about half?! Thoughts?

11:14 p.m. on March 17, 2009 (EDT)
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mikeedwin: Welcome to the site! I agree that the Hooped Outland is an outstanding one person tent--beautiful design, bombproof construction--the biggest drawback is its weight--if I remember, about six pounds complete. I don't have one, but it would be a great tent to have--how well does it hold up under snowfall?

9:52 a.m. on March 18, 2009 (EDT)
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Abman47:

This discussion makes for interesting reading. In an earlier part of this thread you wrote, " You can imagine what it entails getting each of these tents out and pitched at least once a year to avoid offgassing." What the heck is "offgassing"?

Chuck

11:11 a.m. on March 18, 2009 (EDT)
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[img="[url=http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=1953678&id=528066688"]http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=1953678&id=528066688"[/url]]Well, it just so happened that it snowed a foot overnight the other weekend when I was out. Fortunately I remember to dig a snow trench around the tent before retiring so a couple of times in the night I was able to thump the tent walls and shed the best part of the dump. All that really occured was that the bigger fabric panels pressed in a bit but the structure of the tent stood up really well. If I had guyed it more to give it more overall taughtness it would have been even better. I'm going to try to link a photo from my facebook page but no gaurantees. Sure would be nice if we could cut and paste directly.[img="[url=http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=1953678&id=528066688"]http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=1953678&id=528066688"[/url]]

2:03 p.m. on March 18, 2009 (EDT)
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I see Alan already spotted the Titan on the other thread. If that had been an Olympic, I would have gone for it, but it's just too big and heavy for me since I solo camp mostly. Still, a great tent.

The Moss name is still around-the company makes big tents and fabric displays for conventions and exhibitions. According to an old article I found online from 1994, Bill Moss's ex-wife runs the company and he was just a shareholder by then.

Moss sold off the recreational tent business in the early 90's to MSR if I remember right-Bill might know more about that.

12:49 a.m. on March 19, 2009 (EDT)
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Wouldn't it be nice if MSR reintroduced it in latest generation fabrics and poles and cut the weight in about half?! Thoughts?

In 1994, Moss introduced their Sil Nylon Expedition Series of tents, and MSR did have their version of the Hooped Outland, the Sentinel. I can only wonder why Moss didn't continue the Expedition Series(maybe the Edgeworks execs. didn't see the merit),or MSR didn't continue the Sentinel.

12:50 a.m. on March 19, 2009 (EDT)
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stiggs56, right off the web: "Offgassing is the evaporation of volatile chemicals in non-metallic materials at normal atmospheric pressure".

This means that the urethane waterproof coating (as well as the tent fabric) tends to evaporate these chemicals throughout the life of the tent. This evaporation tends to accelerate the decomposition of the coating in an anaerobic (no oxygen) environment; when the tent is stored tightly rolled in a stuff bag for long periods of time the caoting(especially older coatings) starts to get sticky AND stinky.

1:02 a.m. on March 19, 2009 (EDT)
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Yes, abman47 is correct.

For the sticky part try some baby powder sprinkled on the urethane coating. I store my tent in a much larger bag than it came with and I leave the storage bag open. Also I USE the tent, not keep it tightly rolled up for a long time. Some gear will go bad faster if you DO NOT use it.

Tent fabric, boot leather, o-rings in stoves, freeze dried food (of course), batteries, fuel, rope, etc. It all gets crusty, dry, stale, or with urethane, sticky.

Use your gear or sell / give it to someone who will, if you try to use a tent after it has been in the shed for ten years you may have a surprise coming, same with stoves and lanterns etc.

9:33 a.m. on March 29, 2009 (EDT)
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The older tent fabrics are sticky for the most part due to the fact that the waterproofing treatment used 25 years ago had no shelf life. The fabics used in Seattle certainly do not exhibit poor shelf life and the fabics used in China - even better. I would guess that many vintage Moss tents are not only sticky, (resulting in a major pain to set up), but also have a distinct vile odor making them unacceptable for use. Talc is good until the rain washes it off and then your back to the same condition. Thankfully I only own one in such condition. I would guess that Abman47 has many like this.

4:49 p.m. on March 29, 2009 (EDT)
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That would be an incorrect assumption. None of my Moss tents are kept stored tightly rolled in their stuff sacks; they are instead placed loose in an oversize mesh duffel. I also pitch each tent at least twice a year and let it air out for a day. I do have a Walrus Rocket(one of the first tents to employ the rapid hub pole system) that is a little tacky, but it was like that when I got it, and improved somewhat with a MiraZyme treatment. It is such a cool looking old tent that I'll just continue to use it until U.V. degradation finally does it in.

3:58 p.m. on March 31, 2009 (EDT)
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abman47, haven't gotten the orbit fixed yet but found the picture. sure looks like a third pole in the ridge, support between the two tripods. there is another photo that looks like there is no pole.

check it out if you like at:

http://ulgstore.exblog.jp/tags/Walrus%E3%80%80Orbit/

it's all japanese the google translation is not that good. hope this covers what you wanted from me. thanks again

7:42 p.m. on March 31, 2009 (EDT)
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That Moss Cricket is an amazing piece of artwork - probably Bills best. Photograph it in profile and also straight on - absolutely wonderful!

1:50 p.m. on April 1, 2009 (EDT)
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Karmantra,

I'm getting old. I thought I asked this question before but I guess I never posted it. I could use some set up help on the SD Octadome. Are the cords at the end of the top sleeves really meant to go through the pole tips? My e-mail is davidbev@sbcglobal.net

Thanks

3:01 p.m. on June 23, 2009 (EDT)
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Hi,

 

I am looking for a used Moss 4 man tent, Big Dipper or the like. Do you have one available for sale?

 

Thanks,

 

John

11:39 a.m. on June 30, 2009 (EDT)
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I have 1 Big Dipper, and i'm hanging on to it. The last Big Dipper that sold on eBay(April 16, 2009) went for $1,315; the Big Dipper originally sold for $799 new.

12:12 p.m. on August 2, 2009 (EDT)
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Abman47 do you know about a Eureka full vestibule for the Alpine Meadows tents ? Do you have a rainfly for the 2 person AM? I already have a timberline fly for a backup but would like the original fly when mine croaks. I should be good for another year or so. If not keep an eye out for any flys for AM or any Full vestibules. Just a note also watch for SierraWest tents I had the Mobile Dome 2 which I should have kept. My MPC tent appears to be a little gem too. The tent isn't nothing to brag about but the fly rocks;it's about 2.5 lbs

9:49 p.m. on August 2, 2009 (EDT)
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The Timberline and Alpine Meadows vestibules are exactly the same.
The rainfly for the AM is different than the Timberline due to the middle pole in the AM.

11:24 a.m. on August 3, 2009 (EDT)
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Alan I know about the Alpine Meadows; have the 2 and 4 version. The other day I helped set up a friends Timberline 2 for her. Her version had a full vestibule with a cut out circle in it for venting I'm guessing. I'm looking for the full covered vestibule for the AM tents. Do any of your AM have a full vestibule? I have a timberline 2 vestibule that would work but only cover half; I would like something that covers the whole front of the tent and closes up. Hoping also for the matching Blue/grey color scheme.

12:27 p.m. on August 3, 2009 (EDT)
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Here is the vestibule for my AM 4 (the two is the same, just smaller).

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___20368

I have the original blue/grey version, but outside of the color they are the same as above. My vestibules attach to the poles and one side zips shut so mine does completely seal. In the campmor photo the opening will zip shut, the zipper runs down the side closest to the tent. Is your vestibule different than the photo?

The AM's sold in Canada now have intergrated vestibules which would be nice as I think they are more storm proof.

Your reference to only covering half has me scratching my head.

Any chance you have this, rather than the vestibule?

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___26705

5:17 p.m. on August 3, 2009 (EDT)
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I'll check my vestibule and get back to you. The annex I don't have. I never opened my vestibule because all the pictures showed the only covering half of the tent. I didn't realize they sealed in completly. My 2 cost less than 5 bucks and the 4 was 15 at garage sale.

7:29 p.m. on August 3, 2009 (EDT)
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Alan I have the green full vestibule. It's a good thing it didn't sell at my garage sale. I put them both up; 2 with vestibule. (dumb me dumb me). If you could keep an eye out for the blue/grey version for either 2/4 for me. The hoop poles too. A replacement for the 2 fly. The 2 has been my favorite tent. Have you ever used this hiking?(wt. issue) this is what I will probably take when I go. I like comfort and reliability. The vestibule would be for pack and nobody will see that color doesn't match anyway. MY 2 fly has Eureka printed on each end of fly but only on one end of 4,is yours also like this. Have you ever just carried the poles and fly for hiking? What are MN best state parks I've only been to Bergstrom I think it was called. Anyway I'll take a picture of these tents along with my MPC tent(2.5lbs)and send them to you sometime. If I sent the MPC tent to you could you post picture on Trailspace? Tent collectors like you and Abman 47 might like to see this thing. SierraWest has some beauties too.

9:51 p.m. on August 3, 2009 (EDT)
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I've thought of carrying only the poles and fly someday, but have yet to try the idea. I've always used my AM's for canoe trips as they are a heavy tent, solid as they come, but the poles make the tent heavy. What the AM's have going for themselves are the simple floor plan with zero wasted space inside.

Feel free to send photos, I'd be happy to post them.

Someday I'd love to find a Sierra West tent, but so far no luck. I've been too busy this summer to scrounge in thrift stores.

11:39 a.m. on August 4, 2009 (EDT)
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Alan thanks again. Someday I wouldn't mind seeing your collections. I look in thrift stores too. The latest find was REI zip-off pants,the Asolo 520's that I listed here,and some Montrail Boots. I am suprised no nibbles on the Asolo's they are 200.00 dollar boots. The Montrails sell for 164.00 still trying to stretch them into fitting me there ladies size 10. I don't know how to send images over computer I could send photos direct to you if you want to see my MPC tent,bulldog cookwear etc. Oh yeah if your into canoeing/kayaking and the like I recently stopped in Hartman Creek State Park WI. The lakes are crystal clear. No outboards allowed. This is worth checking out if your ever near Waupaca WI. I think there are about 20 lakes connected (chain o lakes) At least4-7 in the park boundries.

5:48 p.m. on August 7, 2009 (EDT)
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9:31 p.m. on August 7, 2009 (EDT)
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Thanks Alan

8:54 p.m. on August 14, 2009 (EDT)
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Missed out on it Alan I didn't bid on it and it ended before I bid or someone ended auction early. Please keep your eyes out and thanks again for letting me know. My little girl and one of her friends went out camping for 2 days.

2:47 p.m. on August 18, 2009 (EDT)
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Hello
i have a Sydney i bought in 1987 at the factory in Camden-- We use it one day a year -to give it an outing -- I understand it was a very short production run

just love the space it creates

Also have a Big Dipper and a Deltoid ( unused )
Too bad The company is " gone" I believe that "Tent Repair" occupies the old facility ( Pendra is still there and three others

1:39 p.m. on August 29, 2009 (EDT)
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A Big Dipper? How much are you looking to get for it? Thanks!

12:59 p.m. on August 30, 2009 (EDT)
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How would you like a Moss Olympic for $600?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/spo/1349470990.html

3:54 p.m. on November 17, 2009 (EST)
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Been searching for TNF Himalayan hotel/47 or Pole Sleeve Oval

Does anyone have or know someone who has either:

The North Face: Himalayan 47, Himalayan Hotel, or Pole Sleeve Oval for sale?

I am not a tent collector, it would be my main tent, so it would need to be in weatherproof condition.

Fell in love with one (PSO) when I was camping out in Page, AZ last fall. Storm came in and flattend all but the NF tent. Perfect size/burliness for me.

Have looked at every currently manufactured expedition tent and they just don't do it for me.

Have exhausted my web searching...

Tried contacting TNF but they just said 'sorry, can't help'.

Thanks!!

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