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Posted by kutenay on March 22, 2008 at 2:15:45 pm EDT
In reply to Looking for a new sleepng bag posted by WISam on March 17, 2008 at 11:06:22 am EDT

I will clarify my earlier point concerning WPB shells on bags of which I have now owned/used three, the original Marmot Mtn., my Feathered Friends u/l bag from 1989 and my five year old ID custom cold weather bag.

Based on the strong recommendation of Eric Reynolds, the manager of Marmot in 1978, I also bought a VBL and I found that I can easily do 3-5 nights in damp B.C. snowcamping without it,before any problems with condensation, etc. arise. HOWEVER, if you intend to do longterm cold weather camping with ANY down bag, a VBL is really worth using and WILL prevent dmping of your down, regardless of shell material.

My latest bag is a Valandre Shocking Blue and it has a special "polyanimide" (WeverTF THAT is!) fabric that is incredibly downproof and water resistant. I now will go with this bag by choice as it is superior to ANYTHING I have ever used and I sleep in it like a baby. BUT, I DO use an eVent bivy plus a VBL with it, in cold weather-long term situations.

To offset discomfort in a VBL, I always wear a set of synthetic longjohns, the "silk weight" ones from M.E.C., cheap and easy to launder. I wear liner socks and sometimes a watchcap and sleep VERY well like this. I do not like my elderly hide on the VBL, but, one could get used to it, if necessary. USE a VBL, it REALLY makes a down bag work better.

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