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11:33 p.m. on March 30, 2008 (EDT)
hahayourdead941
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Gear list

I will be heading out to Philmont sometime in July.
I am appox. 125# 5'9.

Here is my equipment thus far:

Kelty Santa Fe (4000 ci)
Quest 40* bag with liner
Therm-a-Rest Z-lite
TNF Tadpole 23 with footprint

2 pair REI convertible pants
2 windshirts
1 TNF long-sleeve t
Marmot precip
Wool hat
2 wool socks
1 polypro liner sock
REI fleece (yes/no?)

packtowl
bandana
squishy bowl
spork
flip flops
MSR miniworks
MSR simmerlite + 2 22 oz. fuel canisters
30' 5mm climbing rope
first aid kit
coleman solo cook kit
petzl tikka xp
princeton tec blast (backup)
micropur tablets
extra batteries
pack cover

Any suggestions as to less/more? Packing tips?

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12:41 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
Bill S
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Re: Gear list

I would suggest you look at Philmont's suggested gear list. Your list differs in a number of specific ways. One question, though - what is the reason you are going to Philmont - on an expedition (one of the listed itineraries), on staff, one of the Philmont Training Center events, service project? Each of these has a slightly different prescribed gear list, and you will get a gear check when you arrive to make sure you match the required list (and they have you remove things that aren't on the list).

If you are going on one of the expeditions, the adult advisors for your crew should already have the prescribed gear list, and should have already run through the lists with you and the other crew members. Of course, if it is their first time, they may not be aware of the procedures. However, since reservations for this summer were made over a year ago, they should already have the materials in hand.

One item that is a bit strange - the 30 ft of 5 mm "climbing rope". Are you intending this for tent and other cordage? In which case, the cord often referred to as "parachute cord" is more suitable. If you are intending to use it as climbing rope, be aware that you will be required to use only Philmont-supplied climbing gear, and you are only permitted to climb under supervision in one of the 3 designated climbing areas.

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4:19 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
hahayourdead941
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Re: Gear list

I will be going as part of an expedition and we will be heading to Baldy and down back into camp through the Tooth of Time.

The climbing rope is just an extra rope I had around the house. I didn't have any other than that and a huge white braided cord, so I chose the lighter of the two. This will not be used for climbing.

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9:44 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
Bill S
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Re: Gear list

Be sure you start hiking the day you will top the Tooth so that you arrive on the top just before dawn (look up the sunrise time for the exact location and date). Watching the sky brighten and the landscape light up from across the plains is an awesome sight (and have at least one good camera in the group with lots of film/memory chip to capture it).

5mm actually is accessory cord, not "climbing rope" - the smallest diameter rope meeting any of the CE/UIAA standards is about 8mm. No 5mm passes even twin/double/half rope standards, much less single. For the expedition use, you would be better off with 50 feet of 3mm accessory cord.

And again, your adult advisors should have the Philmont-supplied list and should be working closely with all members of the expedition to be sure that when the ranger who will be working with your crew does the gear check, you will all have everything required and will have very little that s/he makes you remove. They are pretty ruthless about the gear check (for good reason - it's for your and all your crew's safety). My son was a ranger there, and he has some amusing stories about things people tried to take along.

A couple specific comments - Philmont has tents available. I would suggest your crew use those, rather than take your own. They are 2-person, and hence lighter per person than your Tadpole.

You will have a couple nights with frost, so your 40 deg bag is marginal. A 15 or 20 deg bag is more suitable. I have experienced sleet and snow there in July and August. Much of the trip (especially the itineraries that include Baldy) will be above 7000 ft elevation. Evenings are pretty cool, even in Base, so that T-shirt should be synthetic (Coolmax or something like it - the Trading Post has Philmont-logo T's for a reasonable price that are synthetic). I'm not sure what you mean by a "wind shirt" (means different things from different manufacturers), but the fleece jacket (200 or equivalent) is definitely needed for the evenings.

You don't mention hiking footwear (flipflops obviously don't qualify). More problems at Philmont involve improper footgear and improper foot care than any other problem source. Depending on your ankle strength, you might want a good pair of hiking boots, or you might be able to get away with trail-running shoes (not regular running shoes or tennis shoes). Some sections of trail are pretty good (you will be doing at least one trail-building or other service project - required to earn the expedition completion patch). But some sections are pretty rough, and some are very dusty and sandy (good boots, especially with shorty gaiters, will keep the dust out). You will definitely need more than the 2 pairs of heavy and 1 wicking socks. While you can do some washing (Campsuds or other biodegradable is required - no regular detergents allowed), your wool socks will take a while to dry (minimum of a day hung on the back of your pack). So you really ought to have 3-4 pairs each of the heavy wool and wicking liner socks. And you should be sure your footgear is up to the 12 days of hiking on rough trails (this includes proper breaking in, of course). I would suggest you get at least a couple of 10-mile days in (since you are doing a Baldy itinerary), and at least one 20 mile weekend overnight, to check out your footgear.

You seem to be planning on individual cooking. Food at Philmont is issued as group food. Individually, you only need cup, bowl, fork, spoon (some people get away with sporks, many regret taking sporks). Your crew should have 2 or 3 stoves, but not all individual stoves (the Simmerlite is an excellent choice, since white gas is available at each of your backcountry re-supply points). Your crew can use Philmont-supplied cook kits (more suitable for group cooking, anyway). Many of the meals require boiling up 8 quarts of water at a time.

You mention your MSR filter. Be aware that the geology in the Sangres is volcanic, with much of the rock being tuff and lots of deposits of volcanic ash. The streams have a lot of suspended very fine ash, which clogs filters very rapidly. Without pre-filters and frequent cleaning (in the field), ALL filters will clog at Philmont. So be prepared to do several cleanings, and carry several sets of spare filter elements. You don't need to filter the water you boil for cooking, of course, but you will want to either filter or chemically treat your on-trail drinking water. Remember that iodine-based treatments require 30 min at room temperature and chlorine-based treatments (like your micropur tablets) more on the 4-hour time scale, plus, since the stream water at Philmont is very cold, you will have to double or triple those times.

Oh, and since many youth are tempted to take IPods and video games - don't, and no one in your crew should either. There is more than enough to keep you busy, with the amount of hiking, setting up camp, preparing meals, participating in the staffed camp activities, and so on, and you will want plenty of sleep at those altitudes. Besides, they weigh a lot, and there is no place to re-charge the batteries ("throw-away" batteries, are heavy to have enough, besides which you are required to carry out all you take in).

You are required to wear full Scout uniform (adults, too) in Base Camp, though you will leave the uniform in lockers (limited amount of storage for your crew) while in the backcountry. You should be wearing the uniform on your way to and from Philmont as well. This does NOT mean a special T-shirt, either. It means THE Scout uniform - shirt, pants, scout socks, neckerchief.

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11:48 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
hahayourdead941
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Re: Gear list

Well so far, our group has been very.. scattered to say the least. I went to Philmont three years back and didn't have much of my own equipment and was thus borrowing and honestly don't remember much of what I brought.

As for the tents, my Tadpole will hold two (small) guys comfortably especially with no gear, so that I am not worried about.

My sleeping bag also has a silk liner in it, along with the fact that I sleep warm, so that is not of big concern.

I do have a pair of Merrell boots that I wore last time we went, so they are very broken in and comfortable. Plenty of miles in those.

You mentioned group cooking? When I went we were each issued individual "sacks" of various freeze-dried and no-cook items. Seemed sort of individual to me, but maybe things have changed.

Already went ahead and put on a prefilter. Had a mesh filter already in place but I went the cheap route and just put a coffee filter on over that.

One major issue I have currently is with adjusting my pack. In our area, there are no big camping stores, nor small ones for that matter, and I do need help refitting my pack. I just readjusted the torso length and cannot get the hip belt to sit correctly to distribute the weight. Just noticed this on a 9 mile hike up Old Rag and back down.

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5:30 p.m. on April 3, 2008 (EDT)
BKep
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Re: Gear list

I don't know what kind of pack you have, but to get a good basic fit (assuming the pack is already overall the right size) loosen all of your straps. Put about 10 lbs. in the pack and tighten first the hipbelt, then the shoulder straps, then the load adjusters, then (if you have them) the hip loader straps. If it's an external frame pack with an adjustable length as I'm guessing it is from your description, make sure you properly measure your spine length before adjusting the pack. You can find good tutorials for spine length measurement in a variety of places on the internet. Best of luck, and have fun!

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7:01 p.m. on April 3, 2008 (EDT)
hahayourdead941
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Re: Gear list

Well, good guess. Haha. I have a internal frame with an adjustable length, so close enough. I am considering however moving to an Osprey Aether 70. Had my pack for four years now, and it has served me well but I'm looking for a better, more comfortable suspension and a lil bit more room that I'll get.

If I go to REI, will they let me try fitting my sleeping bag into the bag compartment, and mess around with my pack and what not, just to make sure I like it?

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12:01 a.m. on April 20, 2008 (EDT)
steve t
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Posts: 41
Re: Gear list

Check out this article from backpackinglight.com. This one pretty well nails it.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/boy_scout_gear_list_philmont.html

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