Outdoor Retailer: Jetboil stoves for 2011

Jetboil is introducing three new stoves — the titanium and aluminum Sōl personal cooking systems and the economical Zip — along with a 1.8-liter companion cup and the CrunchIt (a tool to help users recycle fuel cans), all for 2011. Read on for product descriptions, specs, and video below.

Jetboil Sōl (Ti and Al)


Jetboil Zip, green Flash (for Christmas 2010), and aluminum Sōl

Available in titanium (Ti) or aluminum (Al) versions, the Sōl personal cooking system is an ultra-compact, four-season upright canister cooking system.

In it, Jetboil introduces its  Thermo-Regulate Burner Technology, which promises to deliver consistent heat output down to 15°F. The system includes Jetboil's integrated burner base and an 0.8-liter FluxRing Cooking Cup.

  • Weight (system only): 9 oz (260 g) titanium; 10.5 oz (300 g) aluminum
  • Volume: 16 oz (0.8 liter)
  • Boil Time: 16 oz (1/2 liter) = 2 minutes
  • Water Boiled: 12 liters per 100 g Jetpower canister
  • Dimensions: 4.1" x 6.5" (104 mm x 165 mm)
  • MSRP: $149.95 (Sōl-Ti), $119.95 (Sōl-Al)

 

Jetboil Zip

The aluminum no-frills Zip is distilled down from Jetboil's flagship PCS to provides essential Jetboil functions and features at an economical price. It features a 0.8-liter FluxRing cooking cup with insulating cargo cozy, adjustable burner, drink through lid with pour spout and strainer, and is compatible with all Jetboil accessories.

  • Weight: 11.75 oz (333 g)
  • Volume: 27 oz (0.8 liter)

Jetboil Sumo, 1.8 liter companion cup.
  • Boil Time: 16 oz (1/2 liter) = 2 minutes
  • Water Boiled: 12 liters per 100g Jetpower can
  • Dimensions: 4.1" x 6.5" (104 mm x 165 mm)
  • MSRP: $69.95

 

Jetboil Sumo

The 1.8-liter Sumo, a hard-anodized FluxRing cooking cup, expands the capacity of your Jetboil Sōl, Zip, Flash, or PCS systems, clipping directly onto the compatible Jetboil burner bases. In winter, use it with the all-season Sōl system burner, to melt snow fast. Or use it for one-pot cooking for your small group. For packing, it's wide enough to stow a 230 gm can of fuel and burner base with room to spare, or a complete Sōl or Zip system with 100 gm fuel.

  • Weight (vessel): 14 oz (396 g)
  • Volume: 59.5 oz (1.8 liter)
  • Water Boiled: 12 Liters per 100 g Jetpower canister
  • Dimensions: 4.9" x 8.25" (125 mm x 210 mm)
  • MSRP: $49.95

 

Video: Jetboil Spring 2011 Line

Els Fonteyne walked us through the spring 2011 line of Jetboil products this week at Outdoor Retailer:

 

CrunchIt


Jetboil CrunchIt fuel canister recycling tool

Wondering if you can recycle those empty butane fuel canisters? Yes, you can. Empty fuel canisters are recyclable as tin/steel and the stainless steel CrunchIt fuel canister recycling tool is safe, foolproof, and compliant with recycling standards. The CrunchIt punctures and vents your butane fuel canisters, rendering them recycling-bin ready. 

Includes bottle and can opener.

  • Weight: 1 oz (28 g)
  • Dimensions: 3.0" x 1.4" (76 mm x 35 mm)
  • MSRP: $6.95
  • Available January 2011, or by Christmas with green Flash.

Jetboil suing over Primus EtaSolo

In related news, yesterday, Jetboil announced it had filed suit against Swedish-based Primus AB, along with its parent company Fenix Outdoor AB, Brunton Outdoor, Inc, and NA Gear LLC, in Delaware federal court for infringement of Jetboil’s issued patents under the patent laws of the United States, based on the named companies’ importation, sales and marketing of the Primus EtaSolo product in the U.S. market. In the suit, Jetboil is seeking a permanent injunction against further sales and use of the EtaSolo in the U.S., along with damages and profits.


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    HWM
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:52 p.m. (EDT)

    Just a comment on the lawsuit.

    I had some problems with the piezo igniter (if that is the correct term...) on my PCS, and being a precession mechanic by trade, I tried to fix it myself. That was when I noticed that the burner was made by none other than Primus. So in light of this lawsuit, I'm kind of curious as to who Jetboil get their burners from now.

    And yes, I did manage to fix the burner :)

    Alicia
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    September 15, 2010 at 8:03 p.m. (EDT)

    Here is the scant info I know.

    You're right that Jetboil initially got their burners from Primus. (I was personally a bit surprised by that myself when I learned it from a Primus pr rep.)

    Jetboil switched to another manufacturer at some point, presumably after your stove was made (I do now know who makes the new burners).

    Primus decided to make their own stove with the burner.

    Now there is a lawsuit.

    I am curious about how this will be resolved.

    Bill S
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    September 15, 2010 at 10:15 p.m. (EDT)

    Alicia,

    You mentioned that Jetboil just introduced the Crunchit. I discovered after the show that they were handing out samples and was annoyed that I had missed out. But when I got home, Barbara mentioned that I already had one. It turns out that I picked one up from Jetboil at the 2009 OR Winter Show. I don't remember, though, whether they said it was a prototype. It is a little different from the photo. The idea, of course, is similar to the punch that Coleman made for the Powermax canisters for the X-series stoves.

    On a slightly different note, when I went to the Sierra this weekend, I took the Helios and re-discovered a big annoyance with the pot. On talking to several other climbers there who had the PCS and the group versions (the screw on top versions), I discovered that these pots have the same problem. If the pot is fairly full, so that the liquid starts pouring with a small tipping of the pot, the flow stream tends to not break completely loose of the pot, but sends a fair amount of the liquid down the side of the pot, thus missing the cup or bowl. The old solution of setting a spoon or knife on edge at the pot rim does help. Still, this is a serious defect, especially when melting snow. You end up losing a lot of that precious hot water, or even the soup or stew you cooked in the pot. You could also dip it out with a cup or ladle, I suppose.

    One of the other curious things about Jetboil is their hype about the Helios when first introduced. They claimed that the idea of an inverted canister was their patented idea. Yet a number of us (including several who are Trailspace members) discovered the concept, based on Coleman's X-stove series, which uses a canister that lays on its side and has a pick-up pipe that sits in the liquified butane/propane mix, thus feeding liquified natural gas to the generator tube and burner. The idea was discussed on the old rec.backpacking.useful before the Trailspace days, so the idea was out there in public. We found that this worked just fine with the Primus MFS and at several OR Shows talked to Primus, Optimus, Coleman, and Jetboil among others about making a holder to hold the standard canisters inverted. We had discovered that this went a long way toward solving the cold weather problem. No, none of us patented the idea, as far as I know. But Coleman introduced a holder within a year and then a stove designed for an inverted canister. Primus also introduced a holder. A couple years later, Jetboil came out with the Helios, claiming it was their new invention - yet all you had to do was walk over to the Coleman booth and you could see the Coleman inverted canister stove that was already out on the market.

    Jetboil makes interesting stoves. But I'm not so sure about the originality of some of their designs.

    Alicia
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    September 15, 2010 at 10:39 p.m. (EDT)

    Jetboil makes interesting stoves. But I'm not so sure about the originality of some of their designs.

    That shall be up to the lawyers to decide. It think it could be interesting.

    As for the CrunchIt, I'd guess you have an early prototype (I don't have one). They're saying it will be out for spring 2011 (so I'd say Jan/Feb at earliest).

    The info at OR didn't even have weight and dimensions yet.

    GaryPalmer
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    September 15, 2010 at 10:49 p.m. (EDT)

    What is the idea of Jetboil, what does it do? Boil water faster?

    I use a standard Pocket Rocket, and never boil anything longer than a minute, then turn off the stove. A covered cook pot holds the heat for quite a while. It only drops in temperature by 50 degree's in 30 minutes if the pot is insulated with an extra peice of clothing and something underneath.

    Perfect pasta can be done with this method without the scorched stuff in contact with the heat on the bottom without stirring.

    Bill S
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    September 16, 2010 at 1:34 a.m. (EDT)

    Gary,

    In some sense, Jetboil makes YABS (Yet Another Backpacking Stove). In many respects it isn't much different from any other backpacking stove in the canister category. The unique aspect is that they include some features that are at the high end, higher efficiency. For example, their pots have an integral heat exchanger. In this case, a waffled ring around the boundary of the pot bottom that is sized to match the burner (so do several other companies). They also have a neoprene insulating sleeve around the pots that minimizes heat loss to the outside and have a windshield incorporated into the burner design.

    The original Jetboil (the Personal Cooking System) has a pot just large enough for a single person. A later variation has some plastic heat sensors that change color as the contents get up to various temperatures. The Group size has a bigger pot. Both these are "screw the burner onto the top of the canister" configurations. The Helios line uses a remote canister held in the upside down configuration which overcomes to a large extent the cold-weather limitation of canister stoves that use butane as the main ingredient in the fuel mix. The inverted canister also gives a more even pressure (hence flame heat) throughout the life of the canister. It still drops off during the last quarter of the supply.

    With your Pocket Rocket, you have a serious drop in pressure at air temperatures below freezing, and a noticeable falloff in flame pressure as you deplete the fuel supply below half full. There are several stoves (Primus Eta and MSR Reactor for example) that will transfer some heat to the canister to partially overcome the temperature problem.

    Jetboil claims to have a more efficient burner design (as noted above, it was originally made by Primus), which is the subject of the lawsuit. But several others (MSR Reactor, for one) also have more efficient burner designs that speed the boil time.

    But, despite the hype, all canister stoves are affected by low temperatures. It's just that some of the designs partly overcome the problem and a lot of the traditional designs suffer more. Some of the newer designs will boil a full liter of water in less than 2 minutes (I have 3 that I got for tests that will do this, starting with 70F water, 70F ambient temperature), at least when the canister is more than 3/4 full, with the boil time increasing as the canister empties.

    The fine print on Jetboil's original stove, below the claim of 2 min boil times, did note that it was with the small, fitted pot, which holds a half-liter, not a full liter.

    GaryPalmer
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    September 16, 2010 at 10:28 a.m. (EDT)

    Two minute boil at what? sea level, does'nt it normally take long the higher up you are?

    Bill S
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    September 16, 2010 at 1:56 p.m. (EDT)

    Gary,

    Yes, of course. There is no actual standard for "boil time". Air temperature, altitude, and partial pressure of water vapor all make a difference, as does wind, starting temperature of the water and pot, how high the flame is turned up, material and design of the pot, and lots of other factors.

    There has been some discussion among the Trailspace Test Team about this very question. There is some general agreement that the conditions should be that air temperature, initial water temperature, pot temperature should be 70F (I would prefer the standard 20C, the temperature in "STP" = "Standard Temperature and Pressure" myself). It should be at sea level, but everyone lives in different locations (beach party, anyone?). Probably the stove should be warmed up (makes a difference for liquid fuel stoves with a "roarer burner" design).

    Right now, the Gear Reviews (not only the ones posted by the general Trailspace readers, but also a lot of magazine reviewers) are done under all sorts of conditions, and often the conditions are not posted. Jim S and I have been testing stoves for many years and pretty much stick to the 70F starting temperatures for everything. When we started doing this some 15-20 years ago, we both lived basically at sea level (my house per official survey is at 6 feet, which puts me in an official "Flood Zone" with the 100-year flood level at 8 feet). Jim now lives in the hills in Oregon. But we also did tests at various temperatures, especially at the margins of compressed gas stove temperatures and at altitude during our snow camping trips into the Sierra.

    So, again, yes altitude and temperature make a difference. The times you see in the ads are done under ideal conditions in a laboratory under an exhaust hood - controlled temperature, windless conditions, and who knows what type of water. In other words, don't put too much faith on the manufacturers' claims for real life conditions.

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