Cairn isn't pronounced Karen!

10:35 p.m. on August 22, 2018 (EDT)
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One of my pet peeves is people pronouncing cairn like it's a woman's name.  Cairn is one syllable.  Think of an old craggy Scotsman saying it.   

11:03 p.m. on August 22, 2018 (EDT)
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Yes--but it also isn't pronounced carn...which I hear a lot too.

 

There's no brogue in carn.

1:40 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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I generally let innocent ignorance off the hook.   I think the mangled pronunciations that so often annoy me are eyerack (Iraq) and eyeran (Iran), because I noticed these mispronunciation tends to happen on news programs of organizations that have a negative POV of these cultures.  It is as if they are purposely mis pronouncing these names just to be disrespectful, and as such also serves as a means to negatively propagandize the minions against these societies.

Ed

9:06 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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I remember when people from Italy were called Eyetalians for the same reason...

9:10 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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I've always wondered about this. I tend to say Karen too but have never known for sure.

most on-line resources I can find say "Karen" is correct for US English (but not for UK):

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/cairn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufe1RRG_8Tg

This one is more like "kern"

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/pronunciation/american/cairn

Is that last one more like what you are describing Randall?

9:11 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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I've met people in the western US that call them "ducks". 

9:20 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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This is a huge issue of vast significance which should get all the attention it deserves....

9:32 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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I've always thought of cairns and ducks as the same thing, but yeah West Coast I hear ducks. I believe that, in general, a duck is a small stack of 3+ stones pretty much exclusively used as a route marker, a cairn can be any pile but as distinct from ducks is something bigger, can be a pile rather than a stack, and includes landmarks and symbolic rock pilings.

As for pronunciations, what about carabiner? I'v heard ca-ra-BI-ner and even ca-RIB-i-ner a lot.

10:16 a.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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Where's Phil when we need him?

It's "varde" (var-deh) in Norwegian.

2:20 p.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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Here's some I found in Pisgah NF on Gragg Prong/MST---


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3:40 p.m. on August 23, 2018 (EDT)
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I've done some off-trail stuff where I was sooooooo glad to happen upon a cairn. Other times they lead nowhere or mark a route to somewhere I didn't want to go.

10:40 a.m. on August 24, 2018 (EDT)
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Or were placed there by someone who was lost to begin with...

2:13 p.m. on August 24, 2018 (EDT)
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Well I hope I don't qualify as Randall's old craggy Scotsman just yet... I ve always said "kayrn" if you excuse the spelling for pronunciation. Not offended by other ways of saying it though...heard lots of interesting pronunciations in a highland pub sitting with an Englishman, Israeli, and two Germans...

1:15 a.m. on August 25, 2018 (EDT)
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FlipNC said:

"..a highland pub sitting with an Englishman, Israeli, and two Germans..."

Sounds like the preface for a joke...

Ed

9:35 a.m. on August 25, 2018 (EDT)
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We discussed that but couldn't come up with a good punch line!

2:28 a.m. on August 31, 2018 (EDT)
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Just got back from a trip to Cottonwood Lakes, above Lone Pine, California.  Mexico weighs on our vernacular.  Thus Cirque Peak is sometimes referred to as Sirkay Peak, instead of the French, Sirk Peak.

Ed

6:26 a.m. on August 31, 2018 (EDT)
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I like to say Albuquerque as a Norwegian might sound it out based on the rules for Norwegian pronunciation:

ALL-boo-kew-air-kew-eh. 

8:44 a.m. on September 1, 2018 (EDT)
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I wouldn't worry about pronouncing cairn properly...the Scots are not easy to figure out. I lived in Milngarvey outside Glasgow for a while...its pronounced Millguy!

11:59 a.m. on September 1, 2018 (EDT)
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WOOstah Mass, MontPEElee-er Vermont, COORdalain Idaho, AAAHzlo Norway... we Americans butcher other people's languages just for fun!

12:20 p.m. on September 1, 2018 (EDT)
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BigRed said:

WOOstah Mass, MontPEElee-er Vermont, COORdalain Idaho, AAAHzlo Norway... we Americans butcher other people's languages just for fun!

 I can only assume that amusement and scorn is what led the folks in Maine to mispronounce all of the French named towns. It can't be an accident that they are so wrong :p

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